creating stable chaos
making patterns where there should be none
sewing order into the chaos
you spit in the face of random numbers, of chaos
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Aug 1, 2009, 3:21 am
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I think this means they have intrinsic life saving -- whereas the AoLS grants it, they just have it. Since losing a limb removes equipment, by the time you're actually dead from the beheading your amulet is no longer on. If you had a ring of life saving I imagine you could survive beheading as well.
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Aug 3, 2009, 5:57 pm
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Uhm, I know you can't clone Scrolls of wishing, but can you mirror them?
Guys I tried it...
It works, I have a stack of 40 wishing scrolls.
I guess this is how you get antidote potions...
Guys I tried it...
It works, I have a stack of 40 wishing scrolls.
I guess this is how you get antidote potions...
Aug 4, 2009, 12:41 am
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Dude. Leo++
That's an awesome find (it may already be known, but I don't remember it).
That's an awesome find (it may already be known, but I don't remember it).
Aug 4, 2009, 1:34 am
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Damn, mirrored wishing scrolls. Not how I did it (mash X 20 times), but incredible that there is a way to simulate the effect in-game minus wizmode. Now wands of mirroring are even more valuable. 
Aug 4, 2009, 4:41 am
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This is totally a River of Chains.
If I use some of the Mirrored Wishes to get Scrolls of Charging, it's an infinite loop.
:/ Wands of Mirroring and Scrolls of Wishing are rare though...
One free Internet to whoever gets a pre-Jenny savefile with a Wand of Mirroring, and a Scroll of Wishing.
I have one, but it's not vanilla.
If I use some of the Mirrored Wishes to get Scrolls of Charging, it's an infinite loop.
:/ Wands of Mirroring and Scrolls of Wishing are rare though...
One free Internet to whoever gets a pre-Jenny savefile with a Wand of Mirroring, and a Scroll of Wishing.
I have one, but it's not vanilla.
Aug 4, 2009, 4:44 am
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Pre-Jenny as in UT2 or less, or as in before you make her dead/boot her out of the way to Attnam with a tele wand? If the latter it may be just a matter of time in my case (have a nice bones on her level with a wand of mirror, so all I'd need next is a scroll of wishing from 1 or 2 and bam, mission complete).
Aug 4, 2009, 4:57 am
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Yeah I guess pre-Attnam is what I meant.
Aug 4, 2009, 11:27 am
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nice find but should probably be added to the list of "cheats" like cerumen chests!
Aug 4, 2009, 1:42 pm
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I'm not so sure about if it's cheating or not... Opinions? I'd say it's not cheating.
Aug 4, 2009, 1:50 pm
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We used to say "no ommel cerumen trick win". Are we ought to say things like "no artificial limb, no ommel cerumen trick, no wish-mirroring win?"
Well I assume that a bolt has a given, numeric, amouunt of perwer. (assi in enegri)... unless it's LAERSER SKISKLS POEWN PEWN!
Aug 4, 2009, 3:13 pm
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I'm pretty sure the dividing line of what routes to winning are classically considered kosher is basically figured by the question of "If the devs were still developing, and they were made aware of this behavior, would they cut it next version?" Artificial limbs clearly were designed to be part of things even though they make the game easier; this was not (and that wands of cloning don't work on wishing scrolls suggests that the devteam would have removed this functionality once it was noticed).
Aug 4, 2009, 4:14 pm
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Well 'xplained. Actually, a palm leaf, meteoric steel or beef penis will always be a beef penis. Even if it's meteoric steel. But from now on I don't consider having natural limbs an ironma-style challenge. Thanks for fixing me brain. Feels just and modest this way.
Well I assume that a bolt has a given, numeric, amouunt of perwer. (assi in enegri)... unless it's LAERSER SKISKLS POEWN PEWN!
Aug 4, 2009, 7:12 pm
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The one issue I've found with mirroring wishing scrolls is the fact that it takes a long time to read wishing scrolls at first, sometimes many of the scrolls will disapear before I get a chance to use them.
What with mirrors being impermanent...
What with mirrors being impermanent...
Aug 4, 2009, 9:04 pm
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*shrug* Getting even just four wishes for the price of one is damned powerful. Hello ESP amulet, hello brilliance helmet, hello levitation belt, hello socm.
Aug 5, 2009, 12:10 pm
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I'm not sure, but perhaps You could avoid this by dropping them in one level (preferably on the stairs), and reading them one-by-one on another one? Works with food not spoiling, AFAIK
Well I assume that a bolt has a given, numeric, amouunt of perwer. (assi in enegri)... unless it's LAERSER SKISKLS POEWN PEWN!
Aug 5, 2009, 2:57 pm
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hax
Aug 6, 2009, 7:35 am
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Seems a bug. AFAIK there are two known ways of getting an infinite number of wishes in ADOM (other than just searching), but both are very hard to achieve (it's easier to just win the game).
Aug 6, 2009, 7:47 am
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An undeniable truth.
Aug 8, 2009, 3:15 pm
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hehe... if you behead a assasin... the head weighs 4800 g... and the body -4797 
Aug 8, 2009, 4:33 pm
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Don't forget the limbs! All together, an Assasin has negative weight. And yet they don't levitate...?
System would indicate in graphic if person is mounted on horse or not. Same system also show if person mounted on boar, elephant, polar bear etc. Or if person mounted on ass. Ivan find mounting on ass funny.
Aug 9, 2009, 1:24 pm
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nopes, limbs + body weighs -4797 so basically their total weight is 3g.
so basically their total weight is 3g.
Aug 9, 2009, 1:37 pm
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I can't help imagining an assasin, head on the ground, body floating in the air, trying to crawl forward while his neck almost can't handle the tension.
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Aug 9, 2009, 6:41 pm
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More like, a slight wind sending him flying.
Oh my Frog, he's got a two-handed sword!
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Aug 18, 2009, 1:19 pm
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Leo how did you mirror the scrolls of wishing? Because i tried it and they won't mirror for me in Wizmode on .50 CVS and LIVAN did you do anything special or just used the wand normally.
Aug 19, 2009, 12:35 am
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I'm not sure, but I'm guessing the bug/feature was removed in those versions. Got to your IVAN folder open the "Script" folder, open "item", press Ctrl-F and Search down for "Wishing", scroll down a bit and tell me if it says CanBeMirrored = false; anywhere in the Scroll of Wishing's block.
Oh my Frog, he's got a two-handed sword!
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