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Jun 24, 2008, 1:09 pm
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I found out two utterly worthless things while testing BDR:s ommel snot healing: If you wish for a can full of ommel snot, you get an full helmet of random material, and it is not possible to totally cover yourself in vomit (or any other liquid; your feet will always be nice and clean.
Jun 24, 2008, 5:09 pm
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f you wish for a can full of ommel snot, you get an full helmet of random material

You mean can, not helmet, right? This is true for all cans and bottle. It can even be abused in some variants.

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and it is not possible to totally cover yourself in vomit (or any other liquid; your feet will always be nice and clean.

My friend once remarked, when I was playing (eating hedgehogs and all): "Is there a way in this game to make you not look like a red blob?"
Jul 1, 2008, 2:26 pm
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Probably known, but: You can't sell angels' equipment (apparently mithril hammers +2 are worthless). There go my plans for becoming a millionaire...

Also, 20 lanterns sell for 55 GP. There go my plans of voiding the dungeons of all light sources...
Jul 2, 2008, 3:24 am
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You can only sell the gear of PERMA-angels got from offering or praying valpurus (mort?). The gear of normal angels got from praying poof away after time, just like the angels.
Jul 2, 2008, 4:43 am
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AFAIK Apple is wrong, there are several methods of getting angels, some of them are permanent and some are not.
Jul 2, 2008, 4:23 pm
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In wizard mode, if you possess some other creature, you can talk to yourself for some very funny lines.

If you are near two or more NPCs and want to chat with them, and then press "." to choose yourself as a target, you talk to yourself - apparently, this also abuses intelligence.

Also, tell me what you will, but kicking chests when they stand against the walls gives a higher chance of opening them. I kicked a big chest to no avail the whole bloody corridor, and as I kicked it against the wall, the lock broke.

Edit: One more: Petrus' wife #4 is blonde... she has more charisma than the other ones, but half the intelligence
Jul 8, 2008, 9:08 am
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Cerumen wrote
Also, tell me what you will, but kicking chests when they stand against the walls gives a higher chance of opening them. I kicked a big chest to no avail the whole bloody corridor, and as I kicked it against the wall, the lock broke.

Edit: One more: Petrus' wife #4 is blonde... she has more charisma than the other ones, but half the intelligence
The wife thing is hilarious. Kicking chests against the walls, I've noticed it too, but it's really just common sense.
Jul 8, 2008, 9:39 pm
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Yeah, the kicking chests against the wall is commonly known. I'm not sure about this one, but I remember an old thread that said that maybe if you kick a door diagonally and set off a trap, you don't take as much damage from the explosion because you aren't directly in front of it?
Jul 9, 2008, 6:41 am
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I know thats true in adom, that suggestion may be a carryover from other roguelikes
Jul 9, 2008, 4:08 pm
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Yeah, I'm not sure if it really works in IVAN, but I do it anyway, when possible.
Jul 10, 2008, 3:00 pm
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Seriously... when was the last time you got seriously hurt by a door explosion? I can't really imagine dying as a result of it, unless you're extremely careless and/or desperate.
Jul 10, 2008, 7:29 pm
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Your character personally may not get seriously injured, but your *wands* on the other hand may break, leading to a very fatal KABOOM/BAMF/ZAAAP.
Jul 10, 2008, 8:32 pm
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or the scroll of wishing you were saving and forgot to put in a chest..
Jul 11, 2008, 6:00 pm
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Saving a scroll of wishing?

But...

But...

...why?
Jul 11, 2008, 8:23 pm
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Of course, you could also end up having that grenade of mustard gas you had blow up, that pretty much gurantees death
Jul 11, 2008, 11:20 pm
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Cerumen wrote
Saving a scroll of wishing?

But...

But...

...why?

I save them until i know what will be most useful to wish for. Eg. If i got the SoW and then immediately wished for Vermis and then found two more on the next two levels that would be a wasted wish. I'll usually use them on wands of cloning or scrolls of charging for wands of cloning/mirring once i find a wand with 3 or more charges. If i find a 3 shot wand early and have lots of charging scrolls then i might wish for a key piece of equipment like a helm of brilliance or boots of agility (in the rare case when agi boots don't spawn).
Jul 18, 2008, 4:25 pm
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Useless trivia:

The Holy Banana displays the damage it deals, but can't be enchanted.

Invisible stalkers have a separate "plural name" entry in the char file, even though they shouldn't need one... a hint of a once different name?

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I'll usually use them on wands of cloning or scrolls of charging for wands of cloning/mirring once i find a wand with 3 or more charges.

Wow. I didn't even know the wands keep their charge number - I just assumed the scrolls restart them to a random amount.
Jul 19, 2008, 5:49 am
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Also about holy bananas, when you hit an opponent with them there's a chance that it will burn your opponent, like a flaming sword.
Oct 3, 2008, 5:34 pm
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Vomiting on Petrus (and possibly other people) is a serious offence.
Oct 16, 2008, 12:57 am
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Okay, remember that bit about different armours protecting against different things? Don't think it's true.

*Log snippet*

18:58 <+J_Kahvi> I've been devising an improved weapon and armor system for some time, but I'm not sure if it's available on the net at the moment
18:58 <+J_Kahvi> it introduces three different damage types (point, cut, blunt) and different armors perform differently depending on the damage type
18:59 <+J_Kahvi> for example, chain mail does not protect much from blunt damage, because it's too flexible
Oct 16, 2008, 11:24 am
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=O When was this said!?
Oct 16, 2008, 11:22 pm
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Late 2007/early 2008 I'd say.
Oct 17, 2008, 8:01 am
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Oh. Damn... I thought there was hope again.
Oct 17, 2008, 8:54 am
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Just found a neat trick!

Using a scroll of detect material, I was able to navigate through the experimental dwarven minefield!

All mines are made of iron!
Oct 17, 2008, 11:09 am
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I hate to be a jerk and bust your bubble but that is a well known tactic. Congrats for figuring it out on your own though. Other minefield survival tactics
- belt of levitation or fountain levitation
- pray to silva - eartquake detonates all mines
- SoDM gunpowder
- hit "s" multiple time prior to each step
- get good fire protection
- get lots of pets and turn them loose in the minefield
- move diagonally and kick square in front of you mine does the least damage to you that way (I've never used it in minefield but have used this diagonal to survive VKDs)
- use lots of wands to detonate mines in your path (theoretical - I've never tried it, but it could be useful once youve detected mines with s or SODM, e.g. if there was a vermis on top of a cluster of mines.)
- pray to legifer to get his explosion to detonate detected mines from a safer distance
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