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'''Science-talking''' is when you talk to a character and it randomly generates a conversation which eventually improves intelligence and wisdom. The character must be friendly or tame.
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'''Science-talking''' is the act of [[Chatting|talking]] to a [[monsters|monster]] and engaging in a conversation with it, which eventually improves your [[intelligence]] and [[wisdom]]. The monster must be friendly or [[pets|tame]]. Most monsters can be used for science talking, but the more intelligent they are the more higher stats you must have to make them have a talk with you.
  
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If it is missing a symbol, then that stat is still increased, just not a lot. It's organized first by location then by requirements. Format is (how much it increases intelligence) (how much it increases wisdom) Name of character | intelligence requirement for science talk / wisdom requirement for science talk:
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== Who To Talk To ==
  
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:Note: Tamed enemies are better for intelligence than wisdom.
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The following table sums up the most common monsters requirements and attribute gains.
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:Note: The librarian is good for intelligence, and the frogs are good for wisdom (but have high requirements).
 
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:Note: The banana growers are good but have a pretty low chance of talking. Kaethos the village elder is awesome. Richel Decos the imperialist has a 15 charisma requirement and improves charisma (barely).
 
  
 
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| colspan="5" style="background:#ccc"|Tunnels/Caves
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| colspan="5" style="background:#ccc"|[[Underwater Tunnels]]/[[Gloomy Caves]]
 
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|  ||  || [[Orc]] || 3 || 3
 
|  ||  || [[Orc]] || 3 || 3
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|  ||  || [[Necromancer|Apprentice Necromancer]] || 10 || 5
 
|  ||  || [[Necromancer|Apprentice Necromancer]] || 10 || 5
 
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| + ||  || [[Apprentice Dark Mage]] || 10 || 5
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| + ||  || Apprentice [[Dark Mage]] || 10 || 5
 
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| + ||  || [[Dark Frog]] || 10 || 5
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| + ||  || [[Frog|Dark Frog]] || 10 || 5
 
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| ++ || # || [[Greater Dark Frog]] || 15 || 10
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| ++ || # || [[Frog|Greater Dark Frog]] || 15 || 10
 
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| ++ ||# || [[Dark Battlemage]] || 15 || 10
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| ++ ||# || [[Dark Mage|Dark Battlemage]] || 15 || 10
 
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| +++ || ## || [[Necromancer|Master Necromancer]] || 20 || 10
 
| +++ || ## || [[Necromancer|Master Necromancer]] || 20 || 10
 
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| +++ || ## || [[Giant Dark Frog]] || 20 || 15
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| +++ || ## || [[Frog|Giant Dark Frog]] || 20 || 15
 
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| ++++ || ### || [[Mystic Dark Frog]] || 25 || 15
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| ++++ || ### || [[Frog|Mystic Dark Frog]] || 25 || 15
 
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| ++++ || ### || [[Elder Dark Mage]] || 35 || 25
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| ++++ || ### || [[Dark Mage|Elder Dark Mage]] || 35 || 25
 
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|  || # || [[Farmer]] || 10 || 10
 
|  || # || [[Farmer]] || 10 || 10
 
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|  ||  || [[Light Frog]] || 5 || 15
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|  ||  || [[Frog|Light Frog]] || 5 || 15
 
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| ++++ || ## || [[Haathbar]] the librarian || 20 || 10
 
| ++++ || ## || [[Haathbar]] the librarian || 20 || 10
 
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|  || # || [[Greater Light Frog]] || 10 || 20
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|  || # || [[Frog|Greater Light Frog]] || 10 || 20
 
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| + || ## || [[Giant Light Frog]] || 15 || 25
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| + || ## || [[Frog|Giant Light Frog]] || 15 || 25
 
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| ++ || ### || [[Mystic Light Frog]] || 20 || 30
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| ++ || ### || [[Frog|Mystic Light Frog]] || 20 || 30
 
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| ++++++ || ###### || [[Female Dolphin in Season]] || 50 || 50
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| ++++++ || ###### || [[Dolphin|Female Dolphin in Season]] || 50 || 50
 
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So a general progression would be (some areas overlap):
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For a general idea of how much of an increase you can expect from a given creature:
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*10-20 int/wis: Talk to losers (banana growers, dog, mistresses, farmers, etc.), read holy books and simple scrolls, and sacrifice.
 
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*15 wis: Talk to Kaethos, he's awesome.
 
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*20 int: Talk to Haathbar (the librarian), he's super.
 
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*20-30 wis: Talk to the light frogs in the cathedral.
 
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*20-40 wis: Talk to angels (keep offering items to extremely pleased gods; an offering may spawn an angel. Since even cheap items work, sacrifice everything.)
 
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*10-20-25-35 int: Tame and chat with dungeon monsters. Make friends with mages, necromancers, and frogs, especially the mystical dark ones.
 
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*40+ wisdom: Spawn an archangel and she'll kick up your wisdom another four points. Spawn another, this is hard.
 
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*50 int / 50 wis : Chat with all the dolphins in the cathedral. I've never done this in a real game, but I just tried it in wizard mode and it boosted my int/wis from 50 to the 80's. Holy ****.
 
  
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For a general idea of how much of an increase you can expect from a given creature:
 
 
*2 stars ~ 1/2 point
 
*2 stars ~ 1/2 point
 
*3 stars ~ 1 point
 
*3 stars ~ 1 point
 
*4 stars ~ 2 points
 
*4 stars ~ 2 points
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Creatures with no stars still increase your attributes, but with rather negligible results.
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== How To Do It ==
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So a general progression could be as follows (note that some areas overlap):
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* 10-20 int/wis: Talk to losers (banana growers, dog, mistresses, farmers, etc.), read holy [[books]] and simple [[scrolls]], sacrifice and pray.
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* 15 wis: Talk to Kaethos, he's awesome.
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* 20 int: Talk to Haathbar, he's awsome as well.
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* 20-30 wis: Talk to the light frogs in the cathedral.
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* 20-40 wis: Talk to angels - keep offering items to get extremely pleased gods; any offering may spawn an angel. Since even cheap item works, sacrifice everything.
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* 10-35 int: Tame and chat with dungeon monsters - make friends with mages, necromancers and frogs.
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* 40+ wisdom: Spawn an archangel and she'll kick up your wisdom another four points. Spawn another, this is hard.
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* 50 int and 50 wis : Chat with all the dolphins in the cathedral. This can boost your Int and Wis as high as to 80's.
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== Notes ==
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* Tamed enemies mostly increase intelligence.
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* The [[Haathbar|librarian]] is good for intelligence and the [[frog]]s are wonderful for wisdom.
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* The [[Banana Grower]]s are good but have a pretty low chance of talking. [[Kaethos]] the village elder is awesome. [[Richel Decos]] the imperialist has a 15 [[charisma]] requirement and improves charisma.

Revision as of 14:19, 29 May 2014

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Science-talking is the act of talking to a monster and engaging in a conversation with it, which eventually improves your intelligence and wisdom. The monster must be friendly or tame. Most monsters can be used for science talking, but the more intelligent they are the more higher stats you must have to make them have a talk with you.

Who To Talk To

The following table sums up the most common monsters requirements and attribute gains.

Int Gain Wis Gain Name of character Int Req Wis Req
Underwater Tunnels/Gloomy Caves
Orc 3 3
Mistress 6 3
Apprentice Necromancer 10 5
+ Apprentice Dark Mage 10 5
+ Dark Frog 10 5
++ # Greater Dark Frog 15 10
++ # Dark Battlemage 15 10
+++ ## Master Necromancer 20 10
+++ ## Giant Dark Frog 20 15
++++ ### Mystic Dark Frog 25 15
++++ ### Elder Dark Mage 35 25
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Hunter 6 3
# Farmer 10 10
Light Frog 5 15
++++ ## Haathbar the librarian 20 10
# Greater Light Frog 10 20
+ ## Giant Light Frog 15 25
++ ### Mystic Light Frog 20 30
++++++ ###### Female Dolphin in Season 50 50
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+ ## Banana Grower 5 10
++ *** (Cha) Richel Decos the imperialist 10 15 (Cha)
+++ #### Kaethos the village elder 10 15
Friends
Puppy 3 4
+ ## Ivan 3 3
++ #### Angel 10 20
+++ ##### Archangel 20 40

For a general idea of how much of an increase you can expect from a given creature:

  • 2 stars ~ 1/2 point
  • 3 stars ~ 1 point
  • 4 stars ~ 2 points

Creatures with no stars still increase your attributes, but with rather negligible results.

How To Do It

So a general progression could be as follows (note that some areas overlap):

  • 10-20 int/wis: Talk to losers (banana growers, dog, mistresses, farmers, etc.), read holy books and simple scrolls, sacrifice and pray.
  • 15 wis: Talk to Kaethos, he's awesome.
  • 20 int: Talk to Haathbar, he's awsome as well.
  • 20-30 wis: Talk to the light frogs in the cathedral.
  • 20-40 wis: Talk to angels - keep offering items to get extremely pleased gods; any offering may spawn an angel. Since even cheap item works, sacrifice everything.
  • 10-35 int: Tame and chat with dungeon monsters - make friends with mages, necromancers and frogs.
  • 40+ wisdom: Spawn an archangel and she'll kick up your wisdom another four points. Spawn another, this is hard.
  • 50 int and 50 wis : Chat with all the dolphins in the cathedral. This can boost your Int and Wis as high as to 80's.

Notes

  • Tamed enemies mostly increase intelligence.
  • The librarian is good for intelligence and the frogs are wonderful for wisdom.
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