Sorry for a delay in replies, too much stuff to do to school and work...
Might be time for some Stroustrup? Get a linux virtual machine and compile IVAN!
Yeah, I will have to try that. One day.
Other devfans will have more feedback, highly recommend advertising the changes in the forum, but expect to be slammed.
I wouldn't expect anything less.
So, there is a pull request
over at GitHub where I added many lines for NPC replies, plus assorted minor stuff. Many thanks to fejoa and Serin-Delaunay for thorough reviews! If anyone else is interested, I'd like to know your thoughts, too.
I prefer the farmer to say "Luppliva", because it's a relic from the original devs.
I changed it to Modedr to make the world of Ivan feel more connected - once Mondedr is added, you would have already heard about it from NPCs, so it would feel like a true part of the world.
I can definitely change it back, though, and add some other line about Mondedr.
I'm not sure whether this is a complaint, but this line was removed/replaced by Migel Decos. Originally in Doc/Old there is a disceussion about punishers having cousins from New Attnam, which is quite strange for several of them at once. So, I replaced it with Migel Decos, a brother of Richel!
There is a lot of extra science talk experience in these changes. It's good that there are some female characters who can sci-talk (and that there are more female characters), but this looks like a pretty significant boost to early- and mid-game INT and WIS, and mid- and late-game CHA.
I will be very grateful for any thoughts on balance. I would like for more poeple to science talk with you, but as you say the numbers might need to be reduced.
Some dialogue lines are direct quotes from pretty well-known sources, which isn't and shouldn't be where IVAN gets its humour from
I don't agree. I actually find it quite funny when I find a line that quotes something, but does not directly break the fourth wall. Some monsters already use quotes - just look at the invisible stalkers.
I can remove the most obvious ones, or those generally disliked.
Some quotes I added:
"\"It is we who stand guard, our eternal watch shall not fail.\"",
"\"Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast Light travels, it finds the Darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it.\""
What do others think, do you mind quotes in NPC replies?
Spelling / grammar / punctuation / style / consistency / sensitivity corrections
Thank you for those, no matter how many times I read something after myself, there are still errors remaining.
I think this guy needs a complete rewrite; he doesn't subvert, parody or criticise anything, his "need help, civil war" schtick is very standard-fantasy, and his country's enslavement of goblins undermines IVAN's criticism of slavery (such as it is) because no-one else has any lines talking about it and none of the goblins in the game (even Guugzamesh) have any interesting lines.
We're talking about an emissary of Aslona.
Yes, the "need help, civil war" is a standard trope. Here I actually tried a subversion - the talk about slavery is deliberate, because Alsona is not necessarily a good kingdom endangered by evil Rebellion. It's not always a poor, good kingdom being stuck with too young and inexperienced ruler.
I don't see the undermining of criticism of slavery - you're jumping to the conclusion that Aslonians are the heroes.
A Legifer-aligned amulet makes sense for this character, but it's a really powerful item, and because she's outside the Cathedral it's easy to pile dangerous objects on the floor, kill her peacefully, and steal it. That's pretty unbalanced. Maybe this is more of a problem with the amulet of elemental protection than with her equipment, but I think she should have a less powerful amulet or be in a location where she's harder to kill.
Yeah, the amulet of elemental protection is maybe a bit too powerful, it offers more protection against all damage than the corresponding cloaks! Maybe we should nerf it a bit...
I don't think it's that easy to kill her peacefully, after all she's not exactly a pushover. If you kill her during a fight with the whole Attnam, I see no problem in you getting cool loot, as you will also get to the lamps in treasury and other items. If you somehow manage to kill her peacefully - well, that would be nearly an exploit, and I don't think we can catch all of those. It's the same as killing Petrus peacefully with mustard gas, of dissolving him peacefully in acid - how many players will actually thin about it or do it in normal game? When it's done as a challenge, why not, I like weird challenges. Only exploits too easy not to do (library book kicking, for example) need to go immediately. Exploits that need quite a bit of knowledge, skill and luck (eddy in treasury stealing) are fine by me.
If need be, she can get a different amulet, but I woudn't want to move her. She's a little secret for the players who like to explore to find.
All of the hunters are vegetarians? No way, not in Attnam. You could make another configuration that has this line, and then have one hunter with that config. Or give it to the imprisoned hunter, but it makes even less sense for him. Or keep this line and give them a non-speaking line that shows them eating meat with their big lying mouth.
Why show it when you can let the players thin about it themselves?
Maybe they really are all vegetarians, I mean, there are so many pineapples and bananas in the Cathedral... Or maybe they are lying, but we don't need to show this - let the players have their own opinion.
Let's not have a lobotomised wife of Petrus in the game. She can have indignant speaking lines like all the other prisoners.
This is a very black comedy joke, but I see Petrus as seriously evil. When a citizen, even if it was his own wife, needs re-education... If you all are against it, I will definitely rework her.
The elven ambassador and the orcish representative are much more interesting characters than the emissary of Aslona, and they have 4, 8, and 12 dialogue lines respectively. They should have more lines talking about their personal history and their countries' politics and relationships. Since the mistresses are all retconned to be elves, how do they relate to Lunethia?
I would love to add more lines evetually, I just don't have any yet. I would also like to place Lunethia into the Dark Forest dungeon, so that the player can physically visit it.
Sapphires are not uncommon, so this will make it easier to gain favour with Valpurus and get free valpurium equipment. I don't know how much easier it'll be because that's not a strategy I normally use, but this is still a balance concern.
Hm, I didn't think about this. I wished to make a gem for each (lawful) god as follows:
Hardened from amethyst to diamond. (Not completed yet, some gems are still missing.)
This is going to make the endgame even more unbalanced. 95 INT is basically equivalent to 50 INT and little luck/persistence. This effectively boosts the equipment damage and AV values of any high-int character by about 50%, and the only disadvantage compared to Valpurium is it's inflexible. Valpurium equipment is already overpowered, and this would just make matters worse. Also, there's nothing made of psypher in the whole game, so its existence is even more secret than GEF.
This could be a useful addition to the game if some items or terrain features were added made of psypher (probably in ToX?) and you did one of these two things:
* Make it unwishable and don't let any other wishable material (black granite) upgrade to it.
* Lower its strength to 400 or below and find another way to differentiate it from black diamond.
I would love to have a special material for Mortifer, just as Valupurus has one, and psypher is quite nice for that, I think. It needs a nerf, though.
What about one (or several) of these:
* It could be unwishable (or maybe require something like 150 Int?).
* I would leave it at being super-strong, but maybe we could make it as dense as adamant? Super stong and super heavy.
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I was thinking about mirrored psypher armor of great health +6 for ToX, just like the valpurium sword +10 in GC.
Liquid darkness can probably be added to the bottle spawn rate.
It actually is rather powerful, IMO, that's why it's not spawned right now. I was thinking about is as a special material for some unique level, but if you find it OK for it to be found in bottles, why not?
I'm not sure about ommel blood; it's ten times more acidic than anything else already present in the game. This could be seriously unbalanced when used to coat acid-proof weapons or left as a trap on the floor; sulphuric acid is already strong enough to immobilise a veteran guard very quickly.
It'll need some gameplay testing to make sure it's not unbalanced, and even then it probably shouldn't spawn freely (only in a fountain on the Elpuri or ghost level, for instance).
It should definitely not spawn freely! It's very powerful, it should be found only in specific special areas, or everyone will be dissolving Petrus.
The bum character gives the player lots of advice. Again, run by the forum to gauge the appropriateness.
Here are the lines you can hear from a bum in Attnam. I wanted a NPC that gives some slightly obscure, but still useful clues to new players:
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50, /* rumors, more to come */
"\"Once I ate a resurrected banana and gosh, was it tasty!\"",
"\"I met an angel once. She fixed my arm. Lovely lady, she was.\"",
"\"Don't eat too much, my mama told me, or you'll grow fat and clumsy.\"",
"\"I've heard that unicorns taste weird. Not that I would know first-hand.\"",
"\"Tweraif? Yeah, I heard about it from a guy... What was his name again? Oily Orpiv, I think.\"",
"\"I once saw an apprentice dark mage polymorph his small chest and spill all his stuff. I would have laughed, but I didn't wanna be turned into a dark frog.\"",
"\"I've heard you can fetch a nice iron arm from the dwarves of Kharaz-arad.\"",
"\"I once tried to pet a hedgehog and got my hand all screwed up. Tried it next time with a gauntlet, and let me tell ya, it takes the sting from their spines!\"",
"\"You ever thrown a bone to a doggie? I love the way it makes them happy.\"",
"\"You know what I've heard? That intellectuals can get harder. Har har har.\"",
"\"All those priests can say so many weird and foreign words... I betcha gods love listening to wise words!\"",
"\"You know how to best get a discount in a shop, eh? Use your charms, dummy! Har har!\"",
"\"My dad was an adventurer, years ago. Died in some damp cave. I hope no other bloody adventurer found his bones and took all of his stuff.\"",
"\"That doctor who had to run from here, he said to me once that mutant flesh is not good for your body form. Eh, I say when you have nothing else...\"",
"\"You came through that scary underwater tunnel, right? I've heard it's deeper than it seems. Sounds spooky, eh?\"",
"\"I hate zombies! Dead things should stay dead and not try to bite you. I was bitten once, in the Cellar, and my arm got all inflamed and necrotic.\"",
"\"You know how people talk about the genies locked in old oil lamps? Tavern stories and wishful legends, I tell ya!\"",
"\"One cossack once told me about an old guy named Xinroch. He lived and died long ago, but he lost his favourite sword, so he came back.\"",
"\"Some cossack once told me about a guy named Xinroch who can be at several places at once! And to top it off, he's dead! Yeah!\"",
"\"I've heard that only the dead can be safe around an enner beast! I say when you're dead, it's no longer of concern what's around you, eh?\"",
"\"The Cathedral has impenetrable defenses with its four Cardinals scanning the thoughts of everyone, they say. Well, they still get their stuff stolen by kobolds, har har har! Those little midgets are so dumb no thoughts can be read from them! Har har!\"",
"\"My mama told me you only need a wand of polymorph and some rocks to make a fortune. Eh, never held a wand in my hands, so what can I know?\"",
"\"Those bananas are dangerous, I tell ya! You eat one, you drop that peel-thingy and then someone goes and slips on it, cracking their skull open!\"",
"\"Let me give you a word of advice - next time you get drunk, don't let the bottles lying on the ground. Broken bottles are a pain in the foot, if you know what I mean.\"",
"\"I got attacked by a kobold one night, but I blocked his spear with my lantern and then beaten him to death with it.\"",
"\"Mistresses love a good whipping, you say? Eh, I got whipped once and let me tell ya, there's nothing to love about it.\"",
"\"I've heard from a friend that you can enchant a pair for the price of one, if you know what to do. Sounds like a bargain to me, har har!\"",
"\"I've heard from a friend that enchantments can be broken and you have to repair them. Eh, magic is weird.\"",
"\"My mama always told me, don't eat people, it's indecent. I'd say more like evil, but she always knew best.\"",
"\"I tried to pray once and it worked! So I said to myself, once is good, twice is better, right? Then I got smote. I guess gods don't like pestering, right?\"",
"\"Some priest once told me that Law and Chaos mix like cats and dogs. That's bad, right?\"",
"\"Some priest once told me that gods can be quite jealous of their worshippers. I guess that's why thay can't stay each other?\"",
"\"When my mama took me to an altar for the first time, she made me kneel down there. It makes the gods happy, she said.\"",
"\"I knew a guy who had this altar in his home and kept pushing his fingers down his throat and vomiting all over it! He said it was an offering for some Scabies, but ew!\"",
"\"There was this arch-magic-guy some years back running around with a wand of resurrection. Those lucky bastards he raised where so grateful he quickly amassed an army of followers! Then he attacked Attnam and got promptly massacred.\"",
"\"Someone once told me that necromancy is not for vegetarians. Well, they have to work with meat, I guess?\"",
"\"They say necromancy sows Chaos into your heart. I say you have to already have some Chaos in you to even try using necromancy.\"",
"\"Only time I ever ate a fortune cookie, it said: 'When aflame, douse yourself by a water from a fountain.' Why the Dark Gods would I be aflame in the first place?\"",
"\"I used to drink from the fountains, because it's free, but then I got all sick, so it's not always healthy. Now I drink vodka.\"",
"\"I've heard those fountains are connected by pipes large enough for a man to fit into! You wouldn't want to get suckud inside, right? Har har!\"",
"\"One mage once told me that wet clothes and electricity don't mix well. Eh, it's not like I know what an electricity is, but wet clothes are uncomfortable.\"",
"\"One mage once told me that metal armor and electricity don't mix well. I have neither armor, nor electricity, so I don't care.\"",
"\"One mage once told me not only gods can wield thunder in their hands. I told her that's a blasphemy and she should burn at a stake.\"",
"\"One mage once told me that careless use of lightning can leave you in a shock. I think she was making fun of me.\"",
"\"You ever tried hitting someone with an iron gauntlet on? That packs a punch!\"",
"\"I remeber an execution where a noble tried to get around his punishment with an amulet of life saving. But as they cut his head off, the amulet fell from the stump of his neck! We had a good laugh about it! What a moron!\"",
"\"You know about floating eyes? There's one of those buggers around the Cathedral all the time. Take just a single look at them and they will knock you out cold. But when it's dark... Har har!\"",
"\"You know about floating eyes? I was told eating them can make your mind go haywire. You'll start hearing voices and seeing things. Just like voda, I say! Har har!\"",
"\"Stupid good-for-nothing kobolds! You can't even eat them without being knock out cold.\"",
"\"Do you know of any good way of getting rid of a tapeworm? I tried drinking some acid the last time. It worked, but the heartburn was awful.\"";
Have you thought about designing a totally new dungeon?
I have, I was actually thinking about doing a completely redesigned Dark Forest. This is one of the reasons why an elven ambassador appears in the Cathedral - a clue that there is a place called Dark Forest.
I will not yet give details, but there will be Lunethia, a lost mansion in the woods and a reason why there is a schizm between the elven sirens of Dulcis and elven mistresses of Nefas.
I will definitely take you up on your offer once I get around to making the base levels.