Chameleon whips

Nov 27, 2016, 7:53 am

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I just came across a bones file of a guy I killed by playing around with chameleon whips. Rather than learn from my mistakes I thought "hey why dont I try this chameleon whip again" .....dead in like 20 turns.

Booooooooooo!

Nov 27, 2016, 2:01 pm

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I think they're sort of like the armor of great health, attractive, but they do way more harm than good

Nov 27, 2016, 7:27 pm

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Should we buff AoGH or just delete it? Seems dumb to have an item in the game that's strictly worse than alternatives that tries to trick new people. I mean, chameleon whips aren't fooling anyone that they're dangerous as hell.

Nov 27, 2016, 7:28 pm

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They're great for a character that's broken the power curve. Mammoths and valpurium golems normally take a lot of hits before dying, but with a chameleon whip they get polymorphed into something with much less health first. Definitely something to avoid before at least the late mid-game, though.

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Nov 27, 2016, 8:51 pm

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Ighalli wrote

Should we buff AoGH or just delete it?

I'm pretty ambivalent on this topic. It is pretty IVAN-esque.

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Nov 28, 2016, 2:42 am

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Ighalli wrote

Should we buff AoGH or just delete it?

I like it that there is a magical armor, plus in some rare cases AoGH can be useful (especially early game, +1 AoGH makes training with spider corpses easier while not changing much of the threat level).

I say buff. Maybe to chain mail levels, to give it at least some AV? It will always balance itself with the threat level spike.

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Nov 28, 2016, 5:12 am

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Personally I'm of the opinion that there needs to be more questionably useful items.

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Nov 28, 2016, 5:25 am

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Don't forget Sherru weilds one, so there's a chance the player character can be changed into a rodent and die hilariously.

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its been so long since i had gotten that far i didnt think it through. arrrr!!!!!!

Nov 28, 2016, 11:08 am

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chaostrom wrote

Personally I'm of the opinion that there needs to be more questionably useful items.

Agreed

Nov 28, 2016, 5:11 pm

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I used to play with Turox a lot. It often killed me through my own stupidity. Its also the only way I have successfully beat the shit out of all those smart ass mage fuckers in the mage room beyond the portal - a highly enchanted valpurium Turox.

Turox is a double edged sword

Chameleon whips too but I have never really seriously used them, just dabbled.

Nov 28, 2016, 7:04 pm

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My last character used a Turox. It was great for the mage room, but even with practical fire immunity it caused problems because it some of its explosions were powerful enough to break wands inside chests.

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Nov 28, 2016, 7:50 pm

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Use a bigger chest. Or a lockbox. If I find a lockbox, I tend to put anything and everything fragile that I really don't want to have breaking/burning inside. Things like scrolls waiting to be cloned, wands of fireball, holy hand grenades, etc...

Bigger chests also provide more protection than small ones. If for any reason you are carrying around more than 6 small chests, you might as well dump them for a medium-sized one. More storage, more protection, same weight. Still, at that point, you're carrying 15kg around, of just chest, not even counting whats inside, so there's that...

If you're carrying around enough chests to where it would be more efficient to put everything in a large chest, you maybe should get rid of some stuff.

EDIT: I seem to be having trouble doing things today.

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Nov 28, 2016, 8:01 pm

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I don't think a single large chest spawned in that game. It was very late in the game when the only strongbox appeared. And I'm pretty sure some wands were broken even in the strongbox

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Nov 29, 2016, 5:05 am

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Serin-Delaunay wrote

I don't think a single large chest spawned in that game. It was very late in the game when the only strongbox appeared. And I'm pretty sure some wands were broken even in the strongbox

Does it help if the strongbox material is changed/hardened?

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its been so long since i had gotten that far i didnt think it through. arrrr!!!!!!

Nov 29, 2016, 6:02 pm

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fejoa wrote

Does it help if the strongbox material is changed/hardened?

Nope.
This came up in the shoutbox - each chest has a pre-set "item protection value" that isn't influenced by anything, including whatever material the chest is made from.
Changing the chest's material only increases the strength of the lock, making it harder to break. That's not particularly useful for the player, unfortunately.

System would indicate in graphic if person is mounted on horse or not.
Same system also show if person mounted on boar, elephant, polar bear etc.
Or if person mounted on ass.
Ivan find mounting on ass funny.

Nov 29, 2016, 6:38 pm

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4zb4 wrote

Nope.
Changing the chest's material only increases the strength of the lock, making it harder to break..

I think it changes the chests weight as well correct? Not sure if weight management of chests is a good use of a SOCM though

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Nov 29, 2016, 8:45 pm

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Batman? wrote

I think it changes the chests weight as well correct? Not sure if weight management of chests is a good use of a SOCM though

A large chest made of air however...

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Nov 29, 2016, 9:00 pm

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Batman? wrote

I think it changes the chests weight as well correct? Not sure if weight management of chests is a good use of a SOCM though

I actually was just testing this. The lightest wishable materials (GEF and grass) have a density of 100, which reduces a 3000g small chest to a mere 500g. Unfortunately, large chests are obscenely large. Even made of grass, a large chest still ends up with a weight comparable to plate armor. However if you have a glut of SoCM, turning a normal-sized chest into grass (because GEF takes a lot of int, and grass doesn't) will still give you a lot of well-protected storage at a reasonable weight of 2500g.

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Nov 29, 2016, 11:37 pm

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Oh yeah, you're right the weight change is also a pretty significant factor in changing a chest's material.

I'm still not sure using an SoCM on a chest is ever a good use of the scroll, but keep in mind that if you're going to do it, some of the lightest materials are very flammable with the new fire system in place.

System would indicate in graphic if person is mounted on horse or not.
Same system also show if person mounted on boar, elephant, polar bear etc.
Or if person mounted on ass.
Ivan find mounting on ass funny.

Nov 30, 2016, 1:13 am

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SoCMs and chests go pretty well together when you want a lot of ommel bone, blink dog flesh, or floating eye flesh (and have cloning charges to spare).

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Nov 30, 2016, 5:13 am

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4zb4 wrote

I'm still not sure using an SoCM on a chest is ever a good use of the scroll, but keep in mind that if you're going to do it, some of the lightest materials are very flammable with the new fire system in place.

I don't think chests can catch fire at the moment, so we should still be safe.

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its been so long since i had gotten that far i didnt think it through. arrrr!!!!!!

Nov 30, 2016, 3:57 pm

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I used to nest chests like russian dolls. I never was really sure if it helped protect things from explosions or elpuri. Anybody know if it helps? I figure things don't get broken 100% of time in chests so a chest in a chest in a chest would make a 0.5 probability of damage to a 0.125 probability.

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Nov 30, 2016, 4:44 pm

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Chests aside, Turox isn't compatible with having scrolls or wands of teleport in your inventory for immediate emergency use. I guess that's a point in favour of Sophos.

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Nov 30, 2016, 5:24 pm

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slob wrote

I used to nest chests like russian dolls. I never was really sure if it helped protect things from explosions or elpuri. Anybody know if it helps? I figure things don't get broken 100% of time in chests so a chest in a chest in a chest would make a 0.5 probability of damage to a 0.125 probability.

Fascinating strategy! I really don't know the answer to this...

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Nov 30, 2016, 6:51 pm

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Can you fit small chests inside small chests?

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