Any god will replace a missing limb with one of their favored materials; so, Loricatus for example will replace your missing arm with one made of iron (or steel etc).
If a god is angry he's angry, and praying will only hurt you. Higher wisdom scores reduce the amount of favor lost and increase the amount of favor gained from any given action.
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Nov 12, 2011, 11:25 am
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So, it seems like the gods are the most powerful and most reliable resource a character can have. I'm just not clear on a few things:
1. Does a characters wisdom affect his chance of praying successfully to an angry god?
2. Does a God's relation increase the quality of their rewards? (IE: Will a happier seges give you more food, or a happier Legifer give more damaging explosions?) If so, does anyone have the formulas?
3. Which gods are best? I've read that picking five adjacent gods is workable, and so far I like the Neutrals, plus Seges and Sophos, because Food and Emergency Teleport seems most useful.
4. Will any of the evil gods replace limbs?
1. Does a characters wisdom affect his chance of praying successfully to an angry god?
2. Does a God's relation increase the quality of their rewards? (IE: Will a happier seges give you more food, or a happier Legifer give more damaging explosions?) If so, does anyone have the formulas?
3. Which gods are best? I've read that picking five adjacent gods is workable, and so far I like the Neutrals, plus Seges and Sophos, because Food and Emergency Teleport seems most useful.
4. Will any of the evil gods replace limbs?
Nov 12, 2011, 12:37 pm
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1. IIRC, yes it does!
2. It works in a way that, for example, having better relations with Cleptia gives a better chance of disarming with the Whip Of Thievery, same goes with Scabies & polymorphing with the Chameleon Whip, and Dulcis and taming with the lyre of charm. I think that better relations give a slightly better chance of being granted an item from the deity. Seges' and Silva's feeding definately won't be more satiating than they already are.
3. It really is a matter of preference. Many people like Atavus+Valpurus, I like the Seges-Dulcis-Silva-Loricatus-Mellis-Nefas spectrum, others rely on the evil gods + mellis, etc. Learn all the effects and decide for yourself...
4. Scabies will replace with natural, albeit inferior limbs (check out the message).
2. It works in a way that, for example, having better relations with Cleptia gives a better chance of disarming with the Whip Of Thievery, same goes with Scabies & polymorphing with the Chameleon Whip, and Dulcis and taming with the lyre of charm. I think that better relations give a slightly better chance of being granted an item from the deity. Seges' and Silva's feeding definately won't be more satiating than they already are.
3. It really is a matter of preference. Many people like Atavus+Valpurus, I like the Seges-Dulcis-Silva-Loricatus-Mellis-Nefas spectrum, others rely on the evil gods + mellis, etc. Learn all the effects and decide for yourself...
4. Scabies will replace with natural, albeit inferior limbs (check out the message).
Well I assume that a bolt has a given, numeric, amouunt of perwer. (assi in enegri)... unless it's LAERSER SKISKLS POEWN PEWN!
Nov 12, 2011, 3:35 pm
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Any god will replace a missing limb with one of their favored materials; so, Loricatus for example will replace your missing arm with one made of iron (or steel etc).
If a god is angry he's angry, and praying will only hurt you. Higher wisdom scores reduce the amount of favor lost and increase the amount of favor gained from any given action.
If a god is angry he's angry, and praying will only hurt you. Higher wisdom scores reduce the amount of favor lost and increase the amount of favor gained from any given action.
"Put more stuff in the... thing where... more stuff goes in."
Nov 12, 2011, 3:49 pm
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2) Yes. I remember a significant difference between the explosions given by a slightly-happy Legifer being somewhat small in comparison to the ones produced if he names you his champion. Also what Al said above.
3) Once you learn how to use them effectively, any god can be greatly helpful. My personal preference is Loricatus and/or Atavus. Loricatus because once he gets to like you he can harden your weapons for free, and shits scrolls of enchant weapon/armor all over you. Atavus mainly because chests are easy to find and offer to him, allowing you to get him happy and receive a arcanite armor (chainmail was it?) early in the game.
4) Any god may replace a limb with one of their materials, as Izzy said above. You might want to pick the right god for this though - I once had a lost limb replaced with one made of mushroom flesh, which was crap. Think I may have prayed to Cleptia or Scabies.
3) Once you learn how to use them effectively, any god can be greatly helpful. My personal preference is Loricatus and/or Atavus. Loricatus because once he gets to like you he can harden your weapons for free, and shits scrolls of enchant weapon/armor all over you. Atavus mainly because chests are easy to find and offer to him, allowing you to get him happy and receive a arcanite armor (chainmail was it?) early in the game.
4) Any god may replace a limb with one of their materials, as Izzy said above. You might want to pick the right god for this though - I once had a lost limb replaced with one made of mushroom flesh, which was crap. Think I may have prayed to Cleptia or Scabies.
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Nov 12, 2011, 5:15 pm
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Ischaldirh wrote
Interesting. I guess I've just never seen Cleptia replace a limb, ever.
Does Sophos do anything other than teleport you? I've gotten multiple effects from every god but him.
Nov 12, 2011, 5:26 pm
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Sophos can also give a scroll of teleportation IIRC, though I might just be confusing him with Infuscor. Other than that, not really? It's been a while since I last worshiped him.
Nov 12, 2011, 5:34 pm
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Also, it appears that Loricatus only hardens metals; specifically, only his aligned metals. I was just testing in wizard mode, and I'm on the 18th prayer, and he has yet to touch my arcanite dagger. Should I put a mention of this on the Wiki? I've wasted a lot of prayers trying to get him to harden leather
Nov 12, 2011, 7:16 pm
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I believe it is already mentioned in the wiki? Yeah, most gods will only handle aligned materials. Loricatus will only harden items made from the ferrous chain -- copper, bronze, iron, steel, meteoric steel. (And adamant, if that hardened to anything else.) Tin too, maybe; I forget.
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Nov 12, 2011, 8:46 pm
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Ischaldirh wrote
I believe it is already mentioned in the wiki? Yeah, most gods will only handle aligned materials. Loricatus will only harden items made from the ferrous chain -- copper, bronze, iron, steel, meteoric steel. (And adamant, if that hardened to anything else.) Tin too, maybe; I forget.
Yeah, the Wiki's exact words are "Your weapon's material may not be able to harden. In this case, you may want to temporarily "wield" your gauntlets or some other item that needs hardening."
I've also noticed that they *will* swap existing artificial limbs out for better ones even if they're not aligned; I've had Silvia, Sophos, and Loricatus change my arm from missing to parchment to citrine to adamant when all I really wanted was a teleport, an earthquake, and a sharper sword.
Going to go ahead and edit it now.
EDIT: Done! I think I did a rather good job.
Also, here's the formula I found
"the probability of hardening is 1/x where x = max(intelligence requirement - relation/50, 1). Intelligence requirement for meteoric steel is 15, so you should always succeed if you are a champion (relation = 1000). Intelligence requirement for adamantium is 40, so you have 5% chance."
and the source http://ivan.13.forumer.com/a/quotyou-feel-a-slight-tingling-...
EDIT EDIT: Wiki frenzy! I will post ALL the information!!!
Nov 12, 2011, 10:33 pm
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This is a list of god effects I've compiled from code-diving. May not be 100% accurate as I an not a code-literate person.
ALL
Over 500 Favour - attach/harden limbs, timer 5000, favour 50, apply divine alignment bonuses, increase wisdom (200)
Over 250 Favour - 20% chance?, angel
Over 100 Favour - 20% chance?, gift, enchantment based on favour (1000=3) (over 500=2) (else 1)
Bad pray - timer 10,000, favour -50, decrease wisdom (-50)
Bad pray but tries to help - attach/harden limbs, timer 25,000, favour -75, decrease wisdom (-50)
Bad pray angry - timer 50,000, favour -100, decrease wisdom (-100)
Vomit on altar - "The vomit drops on the altar, but then suddenly gravity changes its direction. The vomit lands on your face/all over you", favour -200, "killed by a flying lump of vomit"
Vomit on Scabies altar - "Scabies feels that you are indeed her follower."
Kick altar - "You feel like a sinner", favour -135
SOPHOS
Good - "Suddenly, the fabric of space experiences an unnaturally powerful quantum displacement! You teleport away!"
Bad - "Suddenly, the fabric of space experiences an unnaturally powerful quantum displacement!"
TeleportSomePartsAway(1 + (RAND() & 1))
"Your *limb* teleports away"
"Parts of you teleport away"
CheckDeath(CONST_S("shattered to pieces by the wrath of Sophos"
VALPURUS
Good - "You hear booming voice: "THIS WILL PROTECT THEE FROM MORTIFER, MY PALADIN!" A shield glittering with holy might appears from nothing.", valpurium shield
"You hear booming voice: "DEFEAT MORTIFER WITH THIS, MY PALADIN!" A sword glittering with holy might appears from nothing.", valpurium two-handed sword
timer 100,000, favour -500, increase wisdom (400)
Bad - "Valpurus smites you with a small hammer."
ReceiveDamage(0, 10, PHYSICAL_DAMAGE, HEAD, RAND() & 7)
CheckDeath(CONST_S("faced the hammer of Justice from the hand of Valpurus"
"You feel you are not yet worthy enough for Valpurus.", timer 50,000, favour -100, decrease wisdom (-50)
LEGIFER
Good - "A booming voice echoes: "Inlux! Inlux! Save us!" A huge firestorm engulfs everything around you."
Explosion(PLAYER, CONST_S("killed by the holy fire of Legifer"
Bad - "Legifer casts a beam of horrible, yet righteous, fire on you."
ReceiveDamage(0, 50 + RAND() % 50, FIRE, ALL)
CheckDeath(CONST_S("burned to death by the wrath of Legifer"
DULCIS
Good - "A beautiful melody echoes around you."
"*insert name* stops fighting/resists its charming call/seems not affected"
Bad - "Dulcis plays a horrible tune that rots your brain."
ReceiveDamage(0, 1 + RAND() % 9, SOUND, HEAD)
SEGES
Good - "Seges cures your wounds.", "Seges removes the foul liquid in your veins.", "Seges cures your leprosy.", "Your stomach feels full again.", "You don't feel a bit tired anymore."
Bad - "You feel Seges altering the contents of your stomach in an eerie way."
EditNP(-10000)
CheckStarvationDeath(CONST_S("starved by Seges"
"Seges tries to alter the contents of your stomach, but fails."
ATAVUS
Good - over 500 favour, "An arcanite plate mail materializes before you.", timer 45000, favour -300
Bad - "You have not been good the whole year."
"Your *insert name* disappears.", destroy item
"Atavus tries to remove your *insert name*, but fails. You feel you are not so gifted anymore.", decrease agility, arm strength, endurance
SILVA
Good - "Your stomach feels full again."
"Suddenly a horrible earthquake shakes the level." - "The *insert name* is hit by a brick of earth falling from the roof!" - "killed by an earthquake"
"Suddenly a tame wolf materializes beside you." - "Suddenly some tame wolves materialize around you."
Bad - polymorph to large rat/mutant ass/jackal
LORICATUS
Good - "Your *insert name* glows and sparkles like it was reforged by invisible hands.", harden item in hands
"Loricatus gives you a scroll of repair.", 10% chance?
"Loricatus fixes your *insert name*."
Bad - "Your *insert name* vibrates and softens"
"The *insert name* emits strange light but remain unchanged."
CLEPTIA
Good - "Cleptia gives you the talent for speed.", haste 2500
"Cleptia helps you to avoid your enemies by making you invisible.", invisibility 2500
"Cleptia helps you, but you really don't know how.", haste or invisibility 2500
Bad - "Cleptia slows you down.", slow 250
MORTIFER
Good - "The air vibrates violently around you. A terrible undead voice echoes through the caverns: "SlAvE! ThOu HaSt PlAeSeD mE! lIfT tHy ReWaRd, ChAmPiOn!" A heavy weapon of pure corruption materializes before you."
timer 100,000, favour -500, increase wisdom (400)
Bad - "A dark, booming voice shakes the area: "PuNy MoRtAl! ThOu ArT nOt WoRtHy! I sHaLl dEsTrOy ThEe LiKe EvErYoNe ElSe!" A bolt of black energy hits you."
ReceiveDamage(0, 1 + RAND() % 20, ENERGY, ALL)
Decrease agility, arm strength, endurance
"obliterated by the unholy power of Mortifer"
"You feel you are not yet worthy enough for Mortifer.", timer 50,000, favour -100, decrease wisdom (-50)
MELLIS
Good - "Mellis manages to trade %s into %s."
"Mellis shares his knowledge of %s, the %s.", new god
Bad - "Mellis spreads bad rumours about you to other gods.", global favour -100
INFUSCOR
Good - "Infuscor helps you.", ESP/tele-control/poly-control 10,000
"Suddenly three scrolls appear almost under your feet.", scroll of teleport
Bad - "Vile and evil knowledge pulps into your brain. It's too much for it to handle; you faint.", unconscious 1000
NEFAS
Good - "Nefas confuses the *insert name* with her sweet lies.", confused 500
Bad - "A potion drops on your head and shatters into small bits."
ReceiveDamage(0, 2 + RAND() % 7, PHYSICAL_DAMAGE, HEAD)
CheckDeath(CONST_S("killed while enjoying the company of Nefas"
SCABIES
Good - "You feel a a horrible disease spreading.", gain immunity to leprosy
"Five cans full of school food drop from somewhere above!", 50% chance?
"Scabies throws poison on the *insert name*!"
random polymorph
Bad - "Scabies makes you eat a LOT of school food." - "You feel your muscles softening terribly...", decrease arm strength and dexterity
"Scabies unleashes all her fury upon you!", poisoned 600
"Scabies unleashes a horrible sickness upon you!", leprosy
CRUENTUS
Good - "The thundering voice of a godly battle drum shakes everything around you.", panic 500
"Your *insert name* glows briefly red. It feels very warm now.", 10% chance?
"The bottle full of troll blood drops from nowhere."
"Cruentus recommends you to his master, Mortifer.", increase Mortifer favour 100
Bad - "Cruentus destroys your weapon." - "Cruentus tries to destroy your *insert name*, but fails."
"Cruentus gets mad and hits you!"
ReceiveDamage(0, 1 + RAND() % 30, PHYSICAL_DAMAGE, ALL, RAND() & 7)
CheckDeath(CONST_S("destroyed by Cruentus"
ALL
Over 500 Favour - attach/harden limbs, timer 5000, favour 50, apply divine alignment bonuses, increase wisdom (200)
Over 250 Favour - 20% chance?, angel
Over 100 Favour - 20% chance?, gift, enchantment based on favour (1000=3) (over 500=2) (else 1)
Bad pray - timer 10,000, favour -50, decrease wisdom (-50)
Bad pray but tries to help - attach/harden limbs, timer 25,000, favour -75, decrease wisdom (-50)
Bad pray angry - timer 50,000, favour -100, decrease wisdom (-100)
Vomit on altar - "The vomit drops on the altar, but then suddenly gravity changes its direction. The vomit lands on your face/all over you", favour -200, "killed by a flying lump of vomit"
Vomit on Scabies altar - "Scabies feels that you are indeed her follower."
Kick altar - "You feel like a sinner", favour -135
SOPHOS
Good - "Suddenly, the fabric of space experiences an unnaturally powerful quantum displacement! You teleport away!"
Bad - "Suddenly, the fabric of space experiences an unnaturally powerful quantum displacement!"
TeleportSomePartsAway(1 + (RAND() & 1))
"Your *limb* teleports away"
"Parts of you teleport away"
CheckDeath(CONST_S("shattered to pieces by the wrath of Sophos"
VALPURUS
Good - "You hear booming voice: "THIS WILL PROTECT THEE FROM MORTIFER, MY PALADIN!" A shield glittering with holy might appears from nothing.", valpurium shield
"You hear booming voice: "DEFEAT MORTIFER WITH THIS, MY PALADIN!" A sword glittering with holy might appears from nothing.", valpurium two-handed sword
timer 100,000, favour -500, increase wisdom (400)
Bad - "Valpurus smites you with a small hammer."
ReceiveDamage(0, 10, PHYSICAL_DAMAGE, HEAD, RAND() & 7)
CheckDeath(CONST_S("faced the hammer of Justice from the hand of Valpurus"
"You feel you are not yet worthy enough for Valpurus.", timer 50,000, favour -100, decrease wisdom (-50)
LEGIFER
Good - "A booming voice echoes: "Inlux! Inlux! Save us!" A huge firestorm engulfs everything around you."
Explosion(PLAYER, CONST_S("killed by the holy fire of Legifer"
Bad - "Legifer casts a beam of horrible, yet righteous, fire on you."
ReceiveDamage(0, 50 + RAND() % 50, FIRE, ALL)
CheckDeath(CONST_S("burned to death by the wrath of Legifer"
DULCIS
Good - "A beautiful melody echoes around you."
"*insert name* stops fighting/resists its charming call/seems not affected"
Bad - "Dulcis plays a horrible tune that rots your brain."
ReceiveDamage(0, 1 + RAND() % 9, SOUND, HEAD)
SEGES
Good - "Seges cures your wounds.", "Seges removes the foul liquid in your veins.", "Seges cures your leprosy.", "Your stomach feels full again.", "You don't feel a bit tired anymore."
Bad - "You feel Seges altering the contents of your stomach in an eerie way."
EditNP(-10000)
CheckStarvationDeath(CONST_S("starved by Seges"
"Seges tries to alter the contents of your stomach, but fails."
ATAVUS
Good - over 500 favour, "An arcanite plate mail materializes before you.", timer 45000, favour -300
Bad - "You have not been good the whole year."
"Your *insert name* disappears.", destroy item
"Atavus tries to remove your *insert name*, but fails. You feel you are not so gifted anymore.", decrease agility, arm strength, endurance
SILVA
Good - "Your stomach feels full again."
"Suddenly a horrible earthquake shakes the level." - "The *insert name* is hit by a brick of earth falling from the roof!" - "killed by an earthquake"
"Suddenly a tame wolf materializes beside you." - "Suddenly some tame wolves materialize around you."
Bad - polymorph to large rat/mutant ass/jackal
LORICATUS
Good - "Your *insert name* glows and sparkles like it was reforged by invisible hands.", harden item in hands
"Loricatus gives you a scroll of repair.", 10% chance?
"Loricatus fixes your *insert name*."
Bad - "Your *insert name* vibrates and softens"
"The *insert name* emits strange light but remain unchanged."
CLEPTIA
Good - "Cleptia gives you the talent for speed.", haste 2500
"Cleptia helps you to avoid your enemies by making you invisible.", invisibility 2500
"Cleptia helps you, but you really don't know how.", haste or invisibility 2500
Bad - "Cleptia slows you down.", slow 250
MORTIFER
Good - "The air vibrates violently around you. A terrible undead voice echoes through the caverns: "SlAvE! ThOu HaSt PlAeSeD mE! lIfT tHy ReWaRd, ChAmPiOn!" A heavy weapon of pure corruption materializes before you."
timer 100,000, favour -500, increase wisdom (400)
Bad - "A dark, booming voice shakes the area: "PuNy MoRtAl! ThOu ArT nOt WoRtHy! I sHaLl dEsTrOy ThEe LiKe EvErYoNe ElSe!" A bolt of black energy hits you."
ReceiveDamage(0, 1 + RAND() % 20, ENERGY, ALL)
Decrease agility, arm strength, endurance
"obliterated by the unholy power of Mortifer"
"You feel you are not yet worthy enough for Mortifer.", timer 50,000, favour -100, decrease wisdom (-50)
MELLIS
Good - "Mellis manages to trade %s into %s."
"Mellis shares his knowledge of %s, the %s.", new god
Bad - "Mellis spreads bad rumours about you to other gods.", global favour -100
INFUSCOR
Good - "Infuscor helps you.", ESP/tele-control/poly-control 10,000
"Suddenly three scrolls appear almost under your feet.", scroll of teleport
Bad - "Vile and evil knowledge pulps into your brain. It's too much for it to handle; you faint.", unconscious 1000
NEFAS
Good - "Nefas confuses the *insert name* with her sweet lies.", confused 500
Bad - "A potion drops on your head and shatters into small bits."
ReceiveDamage(0, 2 + RAND() % 7, PHYSICAL_DAMAGE, HEAD)
CheckDeath(CONST_S("killed while enjoying the company of Nefas"
SCABIES
Good - "You feel a a horrible disease spreading.", gain immunity to leprosy
"Five cans full of school food drop from somewhere above!", 50% chance?
"Scabies throws poison on the *insert name*!"
random polymorph
Bad - "Scabies makes you eat a LOT of school food." - "You feel your muscles softening terribly...", decrease arm strength and dexterity
"Scabies unleashes all her fury upon you!", poisoned 600
"Scabies unleashes a horrible sickness upon you!", leprosy
CRUENTUS
Good - "The thundering voice of a godly battle drum shakes everything around you.", panic 500
"Your *insert name* glows briefly red. It feels very warm now.", 10% chance?
"The bottle full of troll blood drops from nowhere."
"Cruentus recommends you to his master, Mortifer.", increase Mortifer favour 100
Bad - "Cruentus destroys your weapon." - "Cruentus tries to destroy your *insert name*, but fails."
"Cruentus gets mad and hits you!"
ReceiveDamage(0, 1 + RAND() % 30, PHYSICAL_DAMAGE, ALL, RAND() & 7)
CheckDeath(CONST_S("destroyed by Cruentus"
creating stable chaos
making patterns where there should be none
sewing order into the chaos
you spit in the face of random numbers, of chaos
making patterns where there should be none
sewing order into the chaos
you spit in the face of random numbers, of chaos
Nov 13, 2011, 2:27 am
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That takes us to tips, tricks and secrets. Moving the thread...
Nov 13, 2011, 8:03 am
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That enchantment based on relation thing can't be right; I've had Mellis give me a -4 helmet of attraction before, and I'm *sure* I wasn't deep into the negatives with him.
I didn't realize that BAD prayers decreased wisdom. Going to go ahead and test that. Huh. Sure enough.
I didn't realize that BAD prayers decreased wisdom. Going to go ahead and test that. Huh. Sure enough.