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Posted by Ischaldirh, Nov 5, 2016 at 6:46 pm
Ideas
in forum Suggestions and Ideas
I can imagine four possible outcomes when teleporting to an occupied square:
1. Bounce off, teleport elsewhere randomly.
2. You telefrag them.
3. You get (partially) telefragged (parts of you wind up in different places)
4. You take their spot and they are forcibly teleported elsewhere. (Perhaps to where you just were?)
1. Bounce off, teleport elsewhere randomly.
2. You telefrag them.
3. You get (partially) telefragged (parts of you wind up in different places)
4. You take their spot and they are forcibly teleported elsewhere. (Perhaps to where you just were?)
Posted by Ischaldirh, Nov 5, 2016 at 5:08 pm
Shoutbox?
in forum Website News
I'm just curious why new shouts in the shoutbox are at the top, rather than the bottom...?
Posted by Ischaldirh, Nov 5, 2016 at 5:05 pm
I expect they would be doubled.
Posted by Ischaldirh, Nov 5, 2016 at 4:56 pm
That's only slightly worse than AoGH...
For shits and giggles I just kitted out a character with adamant AoGH, gauntlets, and boots, for a total 60% dexterity and 50% agility penalty. Then I added a dragon hide cloak, reducing me to a mere 30% dexterity and 40% agility.
Then I made the cloak adamant.
100% penalty. But apparently your stats have a floor of 1, so lucky me I guess.
The moral of this story is that these penalties stack, so be careful wearing a lot of metal.
Also, although I already knew this, belts have no affect on your agility or dexterity. If you want to have a 2.5 kg belt, turn one into adamant. Good protection too...
For shits and giggles I just kitted out a character with adamant AoGH, gauntlets, and boots, for a total 60% dexterity and 50% agility penalty. Then I added a dragon hide cloak, reducing me to a mere 30% dexterity and 40% agility.
Then I made the cloak adamant.
100% penalty. But apparently your stats have a floor of 1, so lucky me I guess.
The moral of this story is that these penalties stack, so be careful wearing a lot of metal.
Also, although I already knew this, belts have no affect on your agility or dexterity. If you want to have a 2.5 kg belt, turn one into adamant. Good protection too...
Posted by Ischaldirh, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:46 pm
You didn't include metal cloaks. (Not that this would be recommended. 
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Posted by Ischaldirh, Nov 5, 2016 at 10:43 am
The N strategy mostly revolves around Mellis and neighboring gods. Mellis keeps you (mostly) fed, keeps you stocked up on healing potions, and occasionally gives you ommel stuffs. Loricatus is pretty peripheral, hardening a few things and occasionally fixing gear. But really, N is N-, because you want Cleptia for obvious reasons.
Posted by Ischaldirh, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:53 am
Although I'd add that adamant chain mail is available via Loricatus long before 40 Int, and has better AV than all the soft mail except GEF. It also beats mithril plate by a single point, being equal in all other respects.
I'm not totally clear on how Loricatus currently works. Care to enlighten me?
As far as adamant chain is concerned, it is a good option, if you can stomach the 10% dex and agi penalties. As a side note, I'd like to see similar comparisons done on boots/gauntlets. I expect similar results. I'd also be interested to see how the penalties stack.
Posted by Ischaldirh, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:57 pm
Out of curiosity, I did a little testing with different armors and mid- and late-game materials. I tested chain mail, plate armor, and Armor of Great Health. (Note that because AoGH typically spawns with a +1, all the ones I tested also had a +1.) I used the following metals: Meteoric Steel, Arcanite, Mithril, Illithium, Octiron, Adamant, Valpurium. (I left out lower-level metals because I felt they were irrelevant - who puts on bronze plate armor anyways?) I also ran tests on "soft" armor, including Phoenix Feather, Angel Hair, Dragon HIde, Spider Silk, and Golden Eagle Feather. I checked armor values and dex/agi penalties (as a percentage). Here are my results:
For reference: INT requirements for various materials. (For hardening. Remember to add 5 if you want to SoCM.)
From this we can draw some conclusions about the usefulness of various armor types.
Chain Mail: Useful in the mid-game, but not really worth it outside that. Arcanite and Mithril chain mail are great in the 20-35 INT range - low penalties, manageable weight, and superior AV to soft armor - but below 20 INT the weight and penalties are too high, and above 35 INT the soft plates have superior AV and almost no penalties.
Plate Armor: Great AV, but nasty weight and penalties. Not worth it until you can get the Arcanite series - Arcanite plate is easy to acquire, and is comparable to the 35 INT Spider Silk soft armor. Mithril plate may not be worth it, though; however, at 40 INT, Octiron is a solid option, and at 50 INT the Valpurium plate is a rival to a GEF armor.
Soft Armor: Excluding a gap between 20 and 35 INT, soft armor are probably the best option. The almost absolute lack of penalties is hard to beat, and the 400 gram GEF armor is pretty excellent.
Soft Chain: I just ran these for fun. They are useless.
AoGH: Don't. Just don't. There is nothing redeeming about this armor, whether soft or hard. Double the penalties, 25% more weight, 25% less AV; "balanced" by more HP, which means nastier enemies spawning.
Chain Mail Material Name AV Weight Penalty Meteoric Steel 9 14000 10% Arcanite 11 1600 3% Mithril 12 10000 5% Illithium 14 12000 10% Octiron 17 1800 5% Adamant 21 20000 10% Valpurium 25 6000 2% Plate Armor Material Name AV Weight Penalty Meteoric Steel 15 28000 20% Arcanite 18 3200 6% Mithril 20 20000 10% Illithium 22 24000 20% Octiron 27 3600 10% Adamant 35 40000 20% Valpurium 40 12000 5% Armor of Great Health +1 Material Name AV Weight Penalty Meteoric Steel 12 35000 40% Arcanite 14 4000 13% Mithril 16 25000 20% Illithium 17 30000 40% Octiron 21 4500 20% Adamant 27 50000 40% Valpurium 31 15000 10% Soft Mail Material Name AV Weight Penalty Phoenix Feather 5 400 0% Angel Hair 8 600 0% Dragon Hide 10 5000 2% Spider Silk 11 600 0% GEF 18 200 0% Soft Plate Material Name AV Weight Penalty Phoenix Feather 8 800 0% Angel Hair 14 1200 0% Dragon Hide 16 10000 4% Spider Silk 18 1200 1% GEF 30 400 0% Soft AoGH +1 Material Name AV Weight Penalty Phoenix Feather 7 1000 1% Angel Hair 11 1500 1% Dragon Hide 13 125000 8% Spider Silk 14 1500 2% GEF 23 500 1% Valuable Mail Material Name AV Weight Penalty Silver 3 21000 10% Gold 3 40000 3.3% Sapphire/Ruby 15 8000 10% Diamond 18 7000 10% Valuable Plate Material Name AV Weight Penalty Silver 6 42000 20% Gold 5 80000 6.6% Sapphire/Ruby 25 16000 20% Diamond 30 14000 20% Valuable AoGH +1 Material Name AV Weight Penalty Silver 5 52500 40% Gold 5 100000 13.3% Sapphire/Ruby 19 20000 40% Diamond 23 17500 40% Shirt of the Golden Eagle +10 Material Name AV Weight Penalty GEF 40 100 1.2%
For reference: INT requirements for various materials. (For hardening. Remember to add 5 if you want to SoCM.)
INT Materials 15 Meteoric Steel 20 Arcanite, Phoenix Feather 25 Mithril, Illithium 30 Silver, Gold 35 Angel Hair, Dragon Hide, Sapphire, Ruby 40 Octiron, Adamant, Spider Silk, Diamond 45 50 Valpurium, Golden Eagle Feather
From this we can draw some conclusions about the usefulness of various armor types.
Chain Mail: Useful in the mid-game, but not really worth it outside that. Arcanite and Mithril chain mail are great in the 20-35 INT range - low penalties, manageable weight, and superior AV to soft armor - but below 20 INT the weight and penalties are too high, and above 35 INT the soft plates have superior AV and almost no penalties.
Plate Armor: Great AV, but nasty weight and penalties. Not worth it until you can get the Arcanite series - Arcanite plate is easy to acquire, and is comparable to the 35 INT Spider Silk soft armor. Mithril plate may not be worth it, though; however, at 40 INT, Octiron is a solid option, and at 50 INT the Valpurium plate is a rival to a GEF armor.
Soft Armor: Excluding a gap between 20 and 35 INT, soft armor are probably the best option. The almost absolute lack of penalties is hard to beat, and the 400 gram GEF armor is pretty excellent.
Soft Chain: I just ran these for fun. They are useless.
AoGH: Don't. Just don't. There is nothing redeeming about this armor, whether soft or hard. Double the penalties, 25% more weight, 25% less AV; "balanced" by more HP, which means nastier enemies spawning.
Posted by Ischaldirh, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:54 am
Starting stats
in forum General IVAN Discussion
Posted by Ischaldirh, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:03 am
remember this is a game written way back beginning in the early 2000s when such issues weren't really at the forefront
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Also again a reminder that the game is from early 2000s. I remember reading somewhere in the old documents that there were plans for a "Tranny" npc or status ailment if that helps shed some light on that (and the choice of language).
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Also again a reminder that the game is from early 2000s. I remember reading somewhere in the old documents that there were plans for a "Tranny" npc or status ailment if that helps shed some light on that (and the choice of language).
Also remember that they made IVAN when they were quite young - didn't it start as a high-school project? Also also, remember that they are Finnish - they may be fluent in English but it is not their first language, nor are they accustomed to the intricacies of the language as used in the U.S. and elsewhere.
All this only provides an excuse for the original devs' language use. And last I checked, nobody was blaming them. What this is not, is a valid argument against making changes now. To draw a grossly broad metaphor, it would be like arguing against repealing Jim Crow laws because "it was a different time back then".