I would think toning down enners damage a little would be a requirement if you are adding this wrinkle. as it is killing enner is still not guaranteed for upper-moderate players. I think adding in this challenge without offering some kind offset on how bad enner is hammering you will make it overly unbalanced.

what is this really changing other than making it slightly harder to kill enner for beginner/moderate players who have had the bad luck not to find a tele-control item or corpse before enner. most players will have found some kind of tele control by the time you get there.

I suppose the real difficulty this imposes is that every time you want to cross over level 5 you could possibly have to tele across the river. this could lead to some serious item burn if you are trying to move back and forth from the lower dungeon to the overworld later in the game and didnt want to have you time wasted walking in circles with a ring of tele on.

I like the concept of trying to tweak the enners level, but its been my experience in ADOM that rivers are the most annoying thing in the world. Sure they make the game slightly more difficult to early players, but for me at least they make the game less fun to play.

note: I havent offered to many good ideas of my own sp i dont want to sound to bitchy, since im not really helping the cause much. please fell free to ignore me.

I would also suggest coming up with a use for the aforementioned sticks

you learn something every day. I wonder if that goes for other states as well? Severed arm of lycanthropy

was the arm rotting?

re-attaching a leprositic arm will also give you leprosy. I think somewhere there is a reminder to attach your arms and then have the priestess cure you.

I think the only new item in that list is the part about the mistresses and the bannana (that sounds like the title of a dirty joke).

Seeing as how this thread is almost 600 post's long it would be useful to have the collected results stickied to avoid double posting. But I highly doubt anyone is going to spend half of their life reading and compiling the information in this post.

Big props to Red Kangaroo for putting in a lot of effort on the wiki

so its an under-funder now?

The wiki has a pretty good summary of fountain effects

from the shoutbox - Do fountains only transport you lower into a dungeon, or is the level port always to a lower level?

what would the money be used for?