Nonono. The 25 int requirement is the requirement to harden INTO that material. For example if your armor was made of Arcanite and you had 25 Int, you could harden it into Mithril. Using a change material scroll increases that requirement by 5 Int; to turn Leather into Mithril directly, say, you would need 30 int. Of course you could do it with 25 int by CMing into Arcanite and then hardening into Mithril.
Make sense?
Harden material
May 28, 2008, 10:09 pm
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Well, I read the material's list in the Ivanwiki to see if I could harden some of my stuff and found that the information provided was not correct.
Here you can see how it fails to harden a mithril plate mail+2 into octiron having 25 INT:
Correct me if I'm wrong or missing something, but I should be able to harden it as it says that 25 INT is required.
Here you can see how it fails to harden a mithril plate mail+2 into octiron having 25 INT:
Correct me if I'm wrong or missing something, but I should be able to harden it as it says that 25 INT is required.
May 28, 2008, 10:26 pm
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Nonono. The 25 int requirement is the requirement to harden INTO that material. For example if your armor was made of Arcanite and you had 25 Int, you could harden it into Mithril. Using a change material scroll increases that requirement by 5 Int; to turn Leather into Mithril directly, say, you would need 30 int. Of course you could do it with 25 int by CMing into Arcanite and then hardening into Mithril.
Make sense?
Make sense?
"Put more stuff in the... thing where... more stuff goes in."
May 28, 2008, 10:55 pm
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if only it were that easy 
May 28, 2008, 11:27 pm
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Well in that case it's not correctly explained in the Ivan wiki as it says as follows:
"Int Req - the intelligence required to harden the material. Note that you have to be an extra level of Intelligence up in order to change the material directly. For example, it takes 20 Int to harden Arcanite to Mithril, but to change a different material directly into Mithril, it takes 25 Int."
Reading this and seeing the list that says Arcanite req. 20 I assume that is "to harden that material into the next one" instead of "to harden into that material".
Thanks for the explanation.
Basically I need 40 int to get to Octiron, or 35 to dragon hide for my gauntlets... I already sci talked with whatever I found, any tips you can give me?
May 28, 2008, 11:52 pm
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Spawn angels. the more gods you can pray to the more likely you will get angels. it is possible to pray to Dulcis and Nefas and every god inbetween.
read books. beside boostin you int/wis you can manipulate god relations. If your gods are spawning Arch angels and you are too dumb to scitalk with them then you can read books of other gods to lower you relations with them. Lower them enough and they will spawn regular angels again.
tame dark frogs, master necros, mages
get polycontrol and go on a fountain crawl
clone shitloads of scrolls and . not all scrolls are equal SOCM is best for int boost
Don't forget there are sneakier ways to get high int. With polycontrol you can polymorph into something smarter. while polypiling one game i was able to get earlier octiron gear because i polyed into a mage with 35 int and had a helm of brilliance +3 and some SoEAs and soHMs. the only problem with this method is that you don't gain any permanent INT boosts.
read books. beside boostin you int/wis you can manipulate god relations. If your gods are spawning Arch angels and you are too dumb to scitalk with them then you can read books of other gods to lower you relations with them. Lower them enough and they will spawn regular angels again.
tame dark frogs, master necros, mages
get polycontrol and go on a fountain crawl
clone shitloads of scrolls and . not all scrolls are equal SOCM is best for int boost
Don't forget there are sneakier ways to get high int. With polycontrol you can polymorph into something smarter. while polypiling one game i was able to get earlier octiron gear because i polyed into a mage with 35 int and had a helm of brilliance +3 and some SoEAs and soHMs. the only problem with this method is that you don't gain any permanent INT boosts.
May 29, 2008, 12:11 am
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Spawn angels. the more gods you can pray to the more likely you will get angels. it is possible to pray to Dulcis and Nefas and every god inbetween.
read books. beside boostin you int/wis you can manipulate god relations. If your gods are spawning Arch angels and you are too dumb to scitalk with them then you can read books of other gods to lower you relations with them. Lower them enough and they will spawn regular angels again.
tame dark frogs, master necros, mages
get polycontrol and go on a fountain crawl
clone shitloads of scrolls and . not all scrolls are equal SOCM is best for int boost
Don't forget there are sneakier ways to get high int. With polycontrol you can polymorph into something smarter. while polypiling one game i was able to get earlier octiron gear because i polyed into a mage with 35 int and had a helm of brilliance +3 and some SoEAs and soHMs. the only problem with this method is that you don't gain any permanent INT boosts.
read books. beside boostin you int/wis you can manipulate god relations. If your gods are spawning Arch angels and you are too dumb to scitalk with them then you can read books of other gods to lower you relations with them. Lower them enough and they will spawn regular angels again.
tame dark frogs, master necros, mages
get polycontrol and go on a fountain crawl
clone shitloads of scrolls and . not all scrolls are equal SOCM is best for int boost
Don't forget there are sneakier ways to get high int. With polycontrol you can polymorph into something smarter. while polypiling one game i was able to get earlier octiron gear because i polyed into a mage with 35 int and had a helm of brilliance +3 and some SoEAs and soHMs. the only problem with this method is that you don't gain any permanent INT boosts.
Yes, well it happened to me that every fuckin' god is angry with me. I became champion of Mortifer and tried to have good relation with other gods... Mortifer ended hating me as well as the other gods. Now I keep offering stuff to Mortifer but still get the message "Mortifer is very angry". Not even angry.. haha
Also, I didn't find any wand of cloning.. Ur Khan spawned and Golgor Dhan too, but I can't kill them because they are too strong for me. Last time Ur Khan took my too angels of Mortifer like a piece of cake while I fleed as a chicken xD
May 29, 2008, 12:58 pm
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list off all the altars you have found and i will tell you what to offer or check wiki for gods info. Do you have any books? I think you need to get in good with mellis and seges and boost your HP.
once you pray to Mortifier for neerc seulb you have to wait something like 4 days before you can pray again. If you have any big backpacks you can blow up Golgor Dhan or Ur Khan.
once you pray to Mortifier for neerc seulb you have to wait something like 4 days before you can pray again. If you have any big backpacks you can blow up Golgor Dhan or Ur Khan.
May 29, 2008, 5:49 pm
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list off all the altars you have found and i will tell you what to offer or check wiki for gods info. Do you have any books? I think you need to get in good with mellis and seges and boost your HP.
once you pray to Mortifier for neerc seulb you have to wait something like 4 days before you can pray again. If you have any big backpacks you can blow up Golgor Dhan or Ur Khan.
once you pray to Mortifier for neerc seulb you have to wait something like 4 days before you can pray again. If you have any big backpacks you can blow up Golgor Dhan or Ur Khan.
Nice, I'll check for the altars.
I finally managed to get Mortifer very pleased, so my idea is to keep offering stuff until he sends some angels to aid me. Right now these are my stats:
I'm planning to take on Ur Khan or Golgor Dhan with allies that distract him. I tamed all of Merka's shopguards, one was killed by Spider Silk Golem and another one was left with only one arm. Also I have a veteran dark knight following me. Although they are weak I belive that with a couple of angels it would be easier. Still want to listen to your advice.
As now Mortifer likes me I guess Mellis doesn't, so it's kind of hard right now.
Also I have enough strength to wield a second weapon, but I get the message "Using your other wielded weapon is extremly difficult for you", I don't know what to do with that either...
So what do you think I should do?
Aug 22, 2008, 10:23 am
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Get the change material scroll, get the mithril box from Caves, change the material of the box to ommel cerumen, eat it, go talk to dolphins in Cathedral. Presto!
Aug 22, 2008, 10:48 am
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Good for you! Unfortunately your torso, head, and groin have extremely low HP so a critical shot will take you out easily.
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