creating stable chaos
making patterns where there should be none
sewing order into the chaos
you spit in the face of random numbers, of chaos
IVAN development revival project (not an offcial name) Sticky
Nov 17, 2010, 1:27 am
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Posting in another topic made me realize I don't recall whether it's possible to destroy a broken weapon/armor or not. If not, I kind of think breaking/exploding a balsa spear into sticks of wood would be really fitting for IVAN.
Nov 17, 2010, 3:50 am
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It is possible, but when destroyed you don't end up with sticks and stones (and lumps), it's just gone.
Nov 17, 2010, 12:01 pm
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Ah, that's kind of how I thought it worked. It just struck me that it'd be kind of awesome to shatter a cheap weapon/armor with enough strength and a hefty enough weapon, or from using a bomb against an enemy.
Apr 21, 2014, 1:28 am
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Anybody thought about going BIG with this roguelike and putting it on Kickstarter?
Apr 21, 2014, 2:41 am
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I'm not sure how the original devs would feel about that... What kind of licences is IVAN under?
Apr 21, 2014, 1:43 pm
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GNU GPL v2 (or later).
I think any derived works must also be distributed according to the GPL, off the top of my head.
I think any derived works must also be distributed according to the GPL, off the top of my head.
its been so long since i had gotten that far i didnt think it through. arrrr!!!!!!
Apr 22, 2014, 12:11 am
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Why do you think we had all those issues with permissions? We can't do anything without approval from the original developers. Otherwise development would have resumed already.
creating stable chaos
making patterns where there should be none
sewing order into the chaos
you spit in the face of random numbers, of chaos
making patterns where there should be none
sewing order into the chaos
you spit in the face of random numbers, of chaos
Apr 22, 2014, 2:53 am
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I think we HAVE some kind of permission... Since the con, right? Or maybe I don't remember the critical details, since I haven't given this much thought for so long. But when we start taking money for someone elses work things get just so much more complicated.
Apr 22, 2014, 12:17 pm
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Why do you think we had all those issues with permissions? We can't do anything without approval from the original developers. Otherwise development would have resumed already.
But under the GPL don't you have full rights for modification and distribution, so long as you acknowledge that modifications were made to the original work? Holding a fundraiser for development should be well within the rights offered by the GPL, and the actual "permissions" to develop it further are granted by the GPL as well, so long as any releases are compliant with its terms.
1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's
source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you
conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate
copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the
notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty;
and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License
along with the Program.
[You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and
you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee.
2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1
above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:
a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
parties under the terms of this License.
c) If the modified program normally reads commands interactively
when run, you must cause it, when started running for such
interactive use in the most ordinary way, to print or display an
announcement including an appropriate copyright notice and a
notice that there is no warranty (or else, saying that you provide
a warranty) and that users may redistribute the program under
these conditions, and telling the user how to view a copy of this
License. (Exception: if the Program itself is interactive but
does not normally print such an announcement, your work based on
the Program is not required to print an announcement.)
source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you
conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate
copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the
notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty;
and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License
along with the Program.
[You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and
you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee.
2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1
above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:
a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
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part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
parties under the terms of this License.
c) If the modified program normally reads commands interactively
when run, you must cause it, when started running for such
interactive use in the most ordinary way, to print or display an
announcement including an appropriate copyright notice and a
notice that there is no warranty (or else, saying that you provide
a warranty) and that users may redistribute the program under
these conditions, and telling the user how to view a copy of this
License. (Exception: if the Program itself is interactive but
does not normally print such an announcement, your work based on
the Program is not required to print an announcement.)
Apr 22, 2014, 1:49 pm
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The other problem is that we don't currently actually have people talented and/or motivated enough to work on it. I guess maybe if they were getting paid, but there's still the matter of talent.
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You hear distant shuffling.
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Apr 22, 2014, 4:12 pm
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Yeah, most people have been either high charisma or high arm/leg strength. There were a couple of people with high int/wis, only they trained their agility and ended up running away.
its been so long since i had gotten that far i didnt think it through. arrrr!!!!!!
Apr 22, 2014, 11:48 pm
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I think we HAVE some kind of permission... Since the con, right? Or maybe I don't remember the critical details, since I haven't given this much thought for so long. But when we start taking money for someone elses work things get just so much more complicated.
Well, the agreement we had was that we could go ahead and make changes, but they'd need final approval from the original devs. Problem was, by the time we got to that agreement, we didn't have anyone willing to code, and later when we did get people who knew how to code, we'd lost contact with the devs.
As to the GPL, I never looked at it myself, so it's possible it's changed in the time since above agreement. Or everyone else just misunderstood it. Whatever the case, it's out of my hands.
creating stable chaos
making patterns where there should be none
sewing order into the chaos
you spit in the face of random numbers, of chaos
making patterns where there should be none
sewing order into the chaos
you spit in the face of random numbers, of chaos
Apr 23, 2014, 9:13 am
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As to the GPL, I never looked at it myself, so it's possible it's changed in the time since above agreement. Or everyone else just misunderstood it. Whatever the case, it's out of my hands.
Releasing changes as an "official" update to IVAN may require some sort of permission from the devs, but frankly, we could just release anything developed as "Attnam.com's continuation of IVAN" and not need any permissions other than the GPL itself.
Apr 23, 2014, 9:30 am
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heh....high agility..low intel
What if coding requests where put up?
Say like...We're looking for a potion that'll teleport the user away when the users health is low.
must weight.. 25g
must be colored... rgb(0,0,0)
must be valued at.. 25 gb
and then I..erm....people can submit code to fill the question?
I've learned html,css, javascipt and have a logical mind....
I've Modded Ivan I bit.....
SPOILER ALERT. Click here to see text.
What if coding requests where put up?
Say like...We're looking for a potion that'll teleport the user away when the users health is low.
must weight.. 25g
must be colored... rgb(0,0,0)
must be valued at.. 25 gb
and then I..erm....people can submit code to fill the question?
I've learned html,css, javascipt and have a logical mind....
I've Modded Ivan I bit.....
SPOILER ALERT. Click here to see text.
1.) Spawn with black leather and ommel hair armour...as well as bleed, vomit and sweat healing liquid....huehuehue Deadpool
2.) changing food items to fill more hunger
3.) change can materials to diamond....gold....ruby..
4.) Changed players default skin color....but not his hair or eyes since they seem randomized.
I'm sure if i decoded Ivan I'd learn a great deal more.
I've gone though the skyrim creation kit and created various woodcutting axes of different materials....so you can have leveled woodcutting axes......you can make them at a forge...but you need the previous leveled axe to make the next level...
So...to make a dwarven woodcutting axe you need a orish woodcutting axe plus dwarven ingot and firewood.
This spoiler was to stop this single post taking up so much space.
2.) changing food items to fill more hunger
3.) change can materials to diamond....gold....ruby..
4.) Changed players default skin color....but not his hair or eyes since they seem randomized.
I'm sure if i decoded Ivan I'd learn a great deal more.
I've gone though the skyrim creation kit and created various woodcutting axes of different materials....so you can have leveled woodcutting axes......you can make them at a forge...but you need the previous leveled axe to make the next level...
So...to make a dwarven woodcutting axe you need a orish woodcutting axe plus dwarven ingot and firewood.
This spoiler was to stop this single post taking up so much space.
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Apr 23, 2014, 11:05 pm
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... Actually, you know what, we already have an official list of stuff to be added for the next release. Hey Cap, think you can give Pent and MadHatter the keys to that dusty old development subsection?
creating stable chaos
making patterns where there should be none
sewing order into the chaos
you spit in the face of random numbers, of chaos
making patterns where there should be none
sewing order into the chaos
you spit in the face of random numbers, of chaos
Apr 24, 2014, 1:14 pm
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Yeah that old list. Careful of the moths in the dev subsection.
Actually, I can't access that part of the forum, even though I'm in the dev group.
Actually, I can't access that part of the forum, even though I'm in the dev group.
its been so long since i had gotten that far i didnt think it through. arrrr!!!!!!
Apr 25, 2014, 4:21 am
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Thats ok,
If you do some across it or remember parts of it send me a message and I'll see what I can do about it.
If you do some across it or remember parts of it send me a message and I'll see what I can do about it.
Ivan's Still Alive and Kicking!