Only if we implement a unique monster called Charles who will always try to forgive and reform you, no matter how chaotic you go and how many Attnamese you kill.

Yeah, kobold alchemists... That's why I think it should be limitied to only a single unique enemy.


I don't think it's really that necessary if we are to have a single maze floor - backtracking through a single floor is quite survivable for me, it's much worse in e.g. NetHack, which has 15 maze floors as an endgame area and no 'go' function...

And because my post was moved to the ultra-ending thread, I'm gonna write it here again.

What if ToX had a special level with an enemy wielding Eptyron from CLIVAN? It's an artifact axe that softens material of whatever it strikes. This would have several positive effects:
a) ToX would have a completely unique threat; it needs special levels like GC, but with dangers and enemies distinct enough to make the dungeons feel different,
b) material softening is very cool mechanic, but wouldn't work on regular enemy because of frustration; on unique enemy, it would make him interesting and dangerous,
c) there would be an artifact axe which IVAN now sorely lacks.

Also, what about making one of the maze rooms a whole special maze floor floor instead? Just as GC has zombie level, ToX could have maze level. That would quite break the similar room-and-corridor level stereotype and hopefully make it a challenge with strong walls and several guaranteed strong enemies (like the dwarf on zombie level).

Speaking of which... do hiccups work in 0.57? I haven't seen them yet.

Isn't acid resistance already intrinsical to stone materials? I thought this is why weeping blade does not break from it's own acid.

fejoa, go for it!

Well, according to some of the old lore documents in game files, the gods manifest in their cities over the world. There was something like Dulcis being a giatn swan in a forest city of elves and so on.


I love this!

While I also like the "badass normal" feel of the player in IVAN, ultra-ending should be truly "ultra" - something you shouldn't be able to do regularly or without a bit of luck, but all the more cool for your troubles. If becoming a god should be seen as too much, I still think defeating a god would work nicely - remember all the Conan stories where he wipes the floor with sorcerers and gods, wielding only his two-handed sword. This is how I imagine the IVAN player looks like - you don't have magical power, but still can curb stomp even Izzy himself.

That's a good point.

Well, you ARE going against the Destroyer of Worlds, that definitely sounds as a suicide mission.


Maybe even some lower-tier neutral ending, like restoring the temple of Silva in New Attnam. With her temple restored, she could protect the village from Attnamese retaliation and you would live the rest of your days peacefully at Tweraif Academy, acting as a janitor.

Heh, ADOM is quite weird...

Anyway, I would love to see an ultra-ending where you could fight a god. Maybe each of the current two main dungeons could offer a different god to kill?

For example, in GC you would need to steal the avatar of Valpurus from Cathedral and bring it to Oree's lair, where there is the second unused portal. The daemons were planning an assault on the place where Valpurus lives and with his avater, you can open the portal and lead an army of daemons against angels of Valurus and even Valpurus himself. Defeating him would allow you to either take his place as the King of Gods, or help Mortifer destroy the whole world and becoming a demigod as reward.

In TX, on the other hand, you could take the skull of Xinroch and bring it back to Attnam. Here you could talk to Petrus, who would offer you to use to skull to open a portal to the throne room of Moritfer. You would battle Mortifer and kill him, allowing you to either take his place as the main god of Chaos, or destroy the source of Chaos once and for all, so that Valpurus could conquer and rule over the whole world forever, with you as his demigod.

This covers both law and chaos endings, so you can choose which you favour more. And you can become a (demi)god, which is cool. Plus you have a reason to talk to Petrus even if you pick TX.

EDIT: Not related to ultra-endings, but what if TX had a special level where an enemy with Eptyron from CLIVAN spawns? That would a) present a unique obstacle, to better differentiate TX from GC, b) let us use material softening mechanic, which is cool, but would be infuriating on normal enemies - special enemy, however, would present an interesting risk, c) add an artifact axe which IVAN sorely lacks.