I think the idea was that it would have sky-high AV, way over current top plate mails, but also high weight and penalties. We could make it work, even if for only some characters.

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I also like this idea! In all seriousness, how cool would it be to walk around in glowing light crystal armor?

Right now, it's more like:

Cloth armor: No penalties, low weight, sufficient-to-good protection (leather is good enough for early game, end game cloth materials like GEF are nearly unsurpassed)
Chain mail: Moderate penalties, moderate weight, moderate protection (yeah, this one is passable, but not as good as cloth, IMO)
Plate armor: Substantial penalties, high-to-moderate weight, moderate-to-good protection (only end game metals may be worth it, and not always)
AoGH: Yeah...

Basically, cloth is OP right now.

I like the different damage type reductions for different armor, but I still think we should try to have the least armor types possible, not add new ones, because then SoCM would open a whole can of mind worms...

Speaking of which, we could make soft gauntlets be called "gloves" and soft boots "shoes", just for the extra flavor. These are like 2 lines in script files, AFAIK.

This was my line of thinking. Early game, you have to worry about carrying weight quite a bit, so low metal chain and (hard) leather armor would both have its pros and cons. Later, you would have access to both high-end soft armors and (rebalanced) plate, so chain should still not be OP / always the best choice.

I'm not sure how well would it actually work, though.


If we change the way of how stat penalties are calculated rather than adjusting flexibility of materials, that should only affect armors, shouldn't it? Plus soft armors already have next to no stat penalty, so the effect on them would hopefully not be dramatic.

I would try to avoid creating a new item type. Someone would then SoCM armor balanced for soft materials into metal or vice versa and we're right at the beginning.

I think the stat penalties are the most off-putting on all stiff armors. With no (for chain) or much lower (for plate) penalties, I think I could cope with the high weight and actually use metal armor. Meteoric steel armor could then be really nice with Loricatus.

see (https://attnam.com/topics/First-game-in-IVAN)

Based on this thread and the discussion above, plus my own experience, metal armor really isn't that good. It's heavy, has crippling stat penalties and its AV is nearly matched by good enough soft armor.

I don't think this should be the case. While it's definitely good to have some sub-par or questionable choices, double-edged, even useless items, I don't think it's good to shoehorn the player to only one type of armor. We have so many cool and interesting metals, why don't we make them interesting to use as well?

So, what would you say if we (some or all of below):

* decreased the penalties from stiff armor (not cloaks),
* increased AV bonuses of stiff armor (bulky and heavy, but very protective),
* decreased AV bonuses of soft armor (it's already too good anyway, also RE: GEF limbs),
* made AoGH somewhat better (it's already tradeoff enough to get the increase in danger level, making it also heavy and with lower AV is a bit of an overkill; plus it's pretty rare).

Thoughts?

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Pray to gods or pay to priests. Also troll blood (and healing liquid) can regrow your limbs.


Mostly through higher LStr. You can train your LStr by walking around burdened, or artificially through boots of strength. You can also wear (and enchant) a belt of carrying.


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Unfortunately, for now you can only dip your sword into vodka ('!' command) and make your enemies drunk through your attacks.


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Offer bloody sacrifices to the High God of All Things Spiky while chanting "All hail the mighty Hedgehog!"

Joking aside, don't fight them bare-handed, use any gauntlets or weapon (any weapon at all), as those will stop their spines from destroying your arms. They still can kick your ass, but you will take less damage and thus have much better chance of survival.

We have this. JoKe's guide is very well written, IMO.

Well, value would probably not be measured in grams.

But wands are very valuable, their effects can be a life saver. Just drop whatever you won't be using right then next to stairs, so you can return for it later when needed and don't need to remeber where you left it.