Yeah, I wouldn't take sickles away from Seges.

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And here we go.

Me neither, but I understand the game balance.

OK, I'm not touching long swords. What about flaming swords? I still find it wierd to have them aligned to Crunetus when all good angels use them. On the other hand, so does Xinroch...

Farming sounds more as Seges than Loricatus, but OK.

I like the idea of each god having his own weapon his priests would be using, plus having the spear be the weapon of the learned is just cool flavour. An elegant weapon, of a more civilized age. (Why spear? Well, why frogs?)

I understadn that concern. Cruentus gets at least the battle axe in return. Loricatus still favour many, many things. Giving Atavus some aligned armor is just a thought that occured to me because of the recent change to let him enchant armor.

BTW, I just now checked and Atavus no longer has a championship gift. He enchants the armor you have instead.

Aligned/attached items can be (rarely) gifted by the given god when you pray to her, and grant slightly more piety when you sacrifice them at an altar. As I said, it would be mostly a flavour change, to make weapon alignment correspond to your stories and in-game lore. Players probably wouldn't notice much.

I was looking at the attached gods of various weapons and armor, and there are several I think could warrant a change to make more sense than now. This would be mostly flavour change to allow priests of all gods to wield aligned weapon (most priest do now, but some gods with no priests so far also ahve no aligned weapons), and for all gods to gift their weapons.

Long sword should be attached to Valpurus, not Cruentus. Justifier is a long sword, all Attnamese guards wield a long sword, all good angels use a long sword, yet Valpurus has no aligned weapon (discountig Justifier, which is a special artifact). This wouldn't upset the balance of gaining favour with Valpurus much, as we can see with Morty and his scythes.

Spear should be attached to Sophos. This is because he has no aligned weapon, bur Vermis is attached to him. Also so that the scholar-knight of Sophos can use their terrible martial art of Keihäs-Käyttö.

(Battle) axe should be attached to Cruentus, not Loricatus. Loricatus as a smith god has hammers and pickaxes, but why axes? Axe makes much more sense as a weapon of Cruentus, IMO.

Mace should be given to Legifer. Mortifer has Neerc Se-ulb, while Legifer should have Turox (see below), but Legifer has no other weapons while Morty has scythes.

Thunder hammer should definitely go to Loricatus. Magical hammers for the smith god. No question.

Flaming sword should probably be aligned with either Valpurus or Legifer. As said above, swords and Valpurus seem like a good match, but fire and Legifer is also good. As flaming swords are used by good angels, they don't make much sense aligned to Cruentus.

Weeping blade is now aligned to Scabies. As it's mostly made of crystal, maybe it would be better as a weapon of Silva? Maybe not? I'm not sure on this one.

Finally, Turox should be changed to a weapon of Legifer. This is mostly because of this story by Ischaldirh which I adapted to replies for lady Decora, so Turox was blessed by Legifer and should be his aligned weapon. Thus maces could also become weapons of Legifer, as said above.

As for armors, it makes good sense to give all chain/plate mails to Loricatus, but with the new changes of Atavus enchanting armor, armor becomes a bit of a theme for Atavus. Maybe he could be given gauntles, boots, belts and/or shields, to have a change to give those? It would also make sense, because Santa Atavus needs gauntlets and boots, or his limbs will freeze off in his secret Fortress of Solitude northern fortress.

Would you agree to those changes?

More changes as requested were done!

Now mostly the emissary remains.


(Maybe more people will see it here.)

I like the original story arc and wouldn't like to see it changed. What I would like to see (and would could further change the flavour) is more story behind the various creatures of the game. Ivan has awsome chatting mechanic that few roguelikes have, and I think having more replies from which the player can learn about the lives of various NPCs could really enhance the game. That's why I started this thread and the PR, to give more life and story to the world of Ivan. And there's still much work to do, kobolds and golbins, or even many uniques have yet to say something interesting about themselves.

You just desecrated their temple. They don't have enough power to overthrow and kill Decos, because otherwise he would also be dead for desecrating the temple.

This, or when you have several mages behind some walls. I think that the tin helmet can have its uses.




Also, fruit bats were irritating and cool. We should bring them back. But vampire bats stealing your light source sounds like it would be even more irritating and cool.

Here come the changes!

* Some scitalk modifiers were decreased, but I would really like your opinions on which to decrease and how much. I don't normally use scitalking much, so I don't have the feeling for how much more powerful it is.

* Grammar hopefully fixed.

* No more lobotomy.

* Psypher is unwishable.

* Liquid darkness seems OK for bottles.

Things not yet changed as requested:

* There are still the quotes. I like them so I'm not very keen on removing them and the majority has yet to speak up.

* Emissary wasn't changed much.

* Amulet of elemental protection remains, but I would really like to see a discussion on its power. It's more OP in general than OP on a NPC.

* Hunters are still vegetarians (or they say so).

* Diamond is still valpurian. Should I just change it back until some good solution can be found?

If anyone feels like commenting on those changes, don't be shy! We need you opinions!

That sounds quite interesting. However, you would (probably) be able to get around that by putting the items into a chest.



These are not roguelike/D&D/NetHack standards. These come from the original mythology roguelikes/D&D/NetHack stole ideas from. Why do we even have vampires that suck your blood if we want unique and non-standard monsters?

Of course there will be some overlap, unless we want to make everything in the game completely unique, in which came it needs a complete overhaul and re-design to remove all the standard monsters aready in game. I don't want to go that route, because that brings us closer and closer to the terrible DCSS madness.


This souds great! I don't know about the regenerating-in-the-dark, but simply loosing your light source is good and dangerous attack.

About the minor special properties, do you really think it would harm the game? Some may add flavour, some may find an unexpected use, ebcause players are really crafty. And nearly no minor special property is useless. How did you first feel when you discovered that you can resurrect a banana or un/lock chastity belts with the right key? I was delighted at the amount of thought and love that went into the game.I love how the devs took time to add minor easter eggs.