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#1 Sep 18, 2009, 10:12 am Hide

capristo

Problem: this website is the #1 search result for "attnam"
But for "iter vehemens ad necem" it still hasn't shown up by page 4.
It seems like people are much more likely to search for the latter
Any suggestions for boosting the ranking?
#2 Sep 18, 2009, 10:16 am Hide

chaostrom

Use "Iter Vehemens Ad Necem" more?

EDIT: Now there is a link to here on page 3.
#3 Sep 19, 2009, 1:15 am Hide

Ernomouse

Wow, chaostrom, you've got power!
#4 Sep 19, 2009, 9:16 am Hide

Alveradok

Ha, I spotted us on page 2 already!
#5 Sep 19, 2009, 9:38 am Hide

capristo

Haha, great work guys
#6 Sep 19, 2009, 9:50 am Hide

chaostrom

Holy shit. I actually didn't think it'd be this effective.

Guess this is why I'm the Grand Visor...
#7 Sep 19, 2009, 9:51 am Hide

capristo

hmm.. just searched again and I see a link to the wiki on page 3, but no link to the forum so far on page 10

Yahoo has us on page 2 though
#8 Sep 19, 2009, 9:53 am Hide

chaostrom

Damn, what happened?
#9 Sep 19, 2009, 11:40 am Hide

Alveradok

The link to the wiki is the ~34th result when searching through google.pl.
#10 Sep 19, 2009, 2:31 pm Hide

BDR

Frankly, I think it'd be more useful to make us show up higher for I V A N itself, rather than the Latin. How many people do you really think are going to remember how to spell the Latin?

Edit: I really was hoping that was shoutbox-only. :sigh:
#11 Sep 19, 2009, 8:47 pm Hide

chaostrom

I believe it's time for plan B.

The first page of results are all game review sites, we ought to go give 'em our link.
#12 Sep 20, 2009, 12:08 am Hide

capristo

Don't worry BDR I'm going to change it. It was sort of just a joke but I was also curious if it would have any effect.

btw, typing it not using all caps bypasses it as well.

The problem with using "Ivan" is that there are just so many different Ivans aside from the game. Of course, the official website does show up as result #2, but the rest of the results are all referring to people / companies. Maybe "Ivan rpg" or "Ivan roguelike" would be terms we should aim for
#13 Sep 20, 2009, 12:57 am Hide

capristo

Oh and by the way, you may notice some links look like this:
http://www.attnam.com/viewtopic.php?t=732

While others look like this:
http://www.attnam.com/topics/732/google-search

As you can imagine, the latter will definitely be more helpful with search engines. I just need to go through and make sure all the links are consistent.
#14 Sep 20, 2009, 5:46 am Hide

Z

Maybe there are too many keywords in headers, which makes each of them less important? Just an idea, I don't know how exactly headers help search engines... But I think some of these keywords are not useful.
#15 Sep 20, 2009, 5:52 am Hide

4zb4

You might consider converting the ancient IVAN website into a huge signpost pointing viewers towards these forums. God knows who has the power to do that now.

Oh, and if the name of this website was www.Itervehemensadnecem.com it would likely be the first result on a google search for "Iter Vehemens ad Necem".
#16 Sep 20, 2009, 6:06 am Hide

Z

There should be a link from the wiki to the forum, or the main page. I also see that www.attnam.com in general has a very low page rank, placing links to it in various places would help. Is it really impossible to get Hexii or Holybanana to add just this small link on the official website? I have no idea for other places.

EDIT: OK, there is a link from the wiki to the forum, but it is hard to see.
#17 Sep 20, 2009, 11:55 pm Hide

capristo

I added a more prominent link to the wiki.
It would definitely be really helpful if we had the link added to sourceforge.

Our page rank is 1/10. Isn't that a measure of how popular the website is across the entire internet? For something devoted to just one RPG, I don't know if we can expect any better than that.
#18 Sep 21, 2009, 6:25 am Hide

Z

http://www.adom.de/ is also devoted to one roguelike RPG and has pagerank of 5. Of course we are less popular than ADOM, but I suspect our pagerank should be something like 3.

Pagerank is somehow related to the structure of the links in Internet, meaning that if good sites link to us, we are also good. A sourceforge link would be definitely helpful.
#19 Sep 21, 2009, 7:30 am Hide

Eagle V

Pagerank depends on two things: how many links link to us, and the pagerank of those that link to us. Saying IVAN a lot won't help that much, exchanging links with other sites will.
#20 Sep 21, 2009, 12:05 pm Hide

capristo

I see. There are quite a few gaming websites linking to ours though... I checked their pageranks and they're all in the 3-5 range. These are just the most recent that visitors have come from, but there have been more in the past.

http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?tit...
http://jayisgames.com/archives/2008/11/weekend_download_64.p...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Roguelike
http://libregamewiki.org/Iter_Vehemens_ad_Necem

My other website is much bigger than this one and has many links from high page-rank sites (several with 6-8), yet also has a pagerank of 1/10