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#1 Dec 9, 2009, 6:07 pm Hide

taraN

Artificial limbs, game was easy. Killed all the baddies except Xinroch who I never found. Forgot the inventory shot, but had everything at least +10 enchanted so armour was over 100, also managed to get 5 AoLS so wouldn't have died anytime soon. Next up is the banana win, or with no artificial limbs!

Oh yeah, and the game played was LIVAN. I honestly think that LIVAN is by far easier than normal IVAN, or at least it's easier to get far once youve got decent gear. Not that the games are actually hard
#2 Dec 9, 2009, 10:47 pm Hide

capristo

Yep LIVAN is much easier because of all the new worlds and opportunities to find items. So you beat Izzy too? I'm curious to hear how that went I've never met him before
#3 Dec 9, 2009, 11:12 pm Hide

chaostrom

That's ironic, since that was lampshade's main criticism with IVANT.

You probably never ran into Xinroch because you killed all the necromancers before they could summon him.

Anyway, congrats! Don't forget to register on the honour rolls.
#4 Dec 9, 2009, 11:28 pm Hide

capristo

Wait, necromancers summon Xinroch?
#5 Dec 9, 2009, 11:43 pm Hide

chaostrom

Yeah. Little known fact, but I've seen it.
#6 Dec 10, 2009, 2:13 am Hide

taraN

capristo wrote
Yep LIVAN is much easier because of all the new worlds and opportunities to find items. So you beat Izzy too? I'm curious to hear how that went I've never met him before
Well I've died quite a few times to him so I had learned my lesson.... Basically everytime I've got enough HP I get rid of all wands which could kill me if they exploded, as this has been the main reason I've died due to him just masschaining me to death as a result of explosions. As soon as I spotted him -----> quick teleport next to him and bash him away, he tried to hit me with his staff but it didn't do much good before his head got severed off.
#7 Dec 11, 2009, 10:25 pm Hide

Comrade

Nice work name!
#8 Dec 12, 2009, 3:03 am Hide

Fluffy_Bot

Comrade wrote
Nice work name!

Get on IRC so I can ban you.
#9 Dec 12, 2009, 3:48 am Hide

4zb4

LIVAN's easy because of one small flaw... Mustard gas. As detailed in "The Cheap Bastard's Guide to LIVAN" made by me and soon to published on the forums upon its completion.
#10 Dec 12, 2009, 7:17 am Hide

chaostrom

Mustard gas is CVS, not LIVAN. Jesus, we ought to make a thread for this stuff.
#11 Dec 12, 2009, 3:28 pm Hide

lampshade

I need to make LIVAN more balanced, but I'm busy and less inclined to release another version.

I need to make it so:

1. Make levels spawn less items. More levels mean too many items.
2. Make the stronger items even harder to get.
3. Dragon Cuirass's material can't be changed at all.
#12 Dec 19, 2009, 8:43 am Hide

taraN

lampshade wrote
I need to make LIVAN more balanced, but I'm busy and less inclined to release another version.

I need to make it so:

1. Make levels spawn less items. More levels mean too many items.
2. Make the stronger items even harder to get.
3. Dragon Cuirass's material can't be changed at all.

I think the problem is not that Dragon Cuirass material can be changed, as its only +5 armor and once you hit valpurium doesn't make much of a difference, but rather it's the fact that wishing for a dragon cuirass guarantees you 18 AV which is basically enough to beat the game until Elpuri. That's why genie lamps and scrolls of wishing/drinking from fountains sometimes makes the game very easy. One option would be of course to make the dragon cuirass so that it can't be wished for or that the material which it appears as is likely to be low quality item, just like for any other armour/piece of weapon. This way you could get those bronze dragon cuirasses etc. which would also work well with fantasy lore :~)

Also, what the hell is Beldriver? And why can't you get Gleipnir or Loricatus hammer anymore? You could at least fix those bugs Oh yeah, and the most imbalanced feature of LIVAN is actually the extra plant levels below Khazad Arad as the opponents are ridiculously easy and there seem to be more scrolls and goodies than usual. Gah, there's so many things I could list here, but overall I think LIVAN is 100x better than IVAN.
#13 Dec 20, 2009, 7:47 pm Hide

lampshade

Belderiver is a weapon you can get from a ridiculously hard-to-find quest. Except, I haven't made the quest yet.

I replaced the Gleipnir and Loricatus Hammer with regular weapons because they were too powerful.
#14 Dec 20, 2009, 8:09 pm Hide

4zb4

lampshade wrote
Belderiver is a weapon you can get from a ridiculously hard-to-find quest.

It's also game-breakingly good. I mean, the damn thing does 24 - 30something damage per hit (due to being +16) enchanted, unbelievably accurate and almost unbreakable and can be wielded with no penalty by a character with only 10 Astr.
Jesus. If you're going to put that in the game, you may as well let Gleipnir and the hammer of Loricatus's smithing back in too.
#15 Dec 20, 2009, 8:49 pm Hide

lampshade

Belderiver is ridiculously hard to get as said before, and it's an endgame weapon anyways.